racketmaster Posted April 16, 2018 Posted April 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Gabriel also said Peterman was going to be the next Kirk Cousins. His opinion on QBs is as meaningless as anyone. Cousins had 8 touchdowns and 10 interceptions during spot duty his first 2 years. I'm not banking on Peterman to be our franchise qb but I see no reason he can't reach the level of AJ McCaron. It is still very early in his career and we really should not make a definitive judgment on his career after 1 year of limited action.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 16, 2018 Posted April 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, 502Buffs said: I think he's been too busy trying to prove he's an NFL QB instead of a receiver (a position he's never played) by doing things like working on throwing mechanics, taking snaps under center, etc. to worry about some stupid math test GM's may or may not care about. I get why the score is concerning to you, but for the love of God, find another criticism to make because you've beaten this one into the ground. Duly noted. Hey, by the way, what's one of the most language-intensive things in all of sports?
John from Riverside Posted April 16, 2018 Posted April 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, Commonsense said: He is super athletic no one is disputing that, a link to how Petrino catered his play calling towards Lamar's legs doesn't exactly convince me that he can process defenses and carve them up with his arm. His passing TDs tend to point another direction
HappyDays Posted April 16, 2018 Posted April 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, Commonsense said: Oh and Mike Mayock liked Blaine Gabbert so he is a rock, right? Right. You're catching on.
502Buffs Posted April 16, 2018 Author Posted April 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, Commonsense said: He is super athletic no one is disputing that, a link to how Petrino catered his play calling towards Lamar's legs doesn't exactly convince me that he can process defenses and carve them up with his arm. Will you dispute that his athleticism helps receivers get open? I have better things to do than sit here all day and try to convince you guys he can play. I tried to show he has all the tools in my original post. I'm about to close this to replies as the points are getting watered down on both ends. You have a very valid point, but like all the QBs in this draft IMO, he's a project and needs to be coached. Anyone who thinks he's incapable of that has yet to prove that to me. This roster has too many holes now to trade up for a QB unless you guys are fine with sucking for another 2-5 years which I am not. Have a good day and go Bills!
CommonCents Posted April 16, 2018 Posted April 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Right. You're catching on. Shall we pull up your horrible takes on Carson Wentz? Then find mine on Mike Glennon? Then we can both be dismissed from the conversation and hit the bar? 8 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: His passing TDs tend to point another direction Did Ty Detmer throw a lot of touchdowns? Rick Mirer? Vince Young? Oh what about Taj Boyd? That means nothing. 1
John from Riverside Posted April 16, 2018 Posted April 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Commonsense said: Shall we pull up your horrible takes on Carson Wentz? Then find mine on Mike Glennon? Then we can both be dismissed from the conversation and hit the bar? Did Ty Detmer throw a lot of touchdowns? Rick Mirer? Vince Young? Oh what about Taj Boyd? That means nothing. OK So then what should we be looking at when trying to project a NFL qb if we are not at least going to take a look at production? If Lamar was more accurate he would be drafted at the top of the 1st.....EVERYONE of these QBs has got some sort of negative
Gugny Posted April 16, 2018 Posted April 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: OK So then what should we be looking at when trying to project a NFL qb if we are not at least going to take a look at production? If Lamar was more accurate he would be drafted at the top of the 1st.....EVERYONE of these QBs has got some sort of negative But he's the only one who scored ridiculously low on the Wonderlic and has his mommy as his agent. This dude has red flags all over the place, John.
CommonCents Posted April 16, 2018 Posted April 16, 2018 Just now, John from Riverside said: OK So then what should we be looking at when trying to project a NFL qb if we are not at least going to take a look at production? If Lamar was more accurate he would be drafted at the top of the 1st.....EVERYONE of these QBs has got some sort of negative Right. Deciding which flaws are fatal is not that difficult. Can't fix stupid. Might be able to fix the accuracy and poor footwork though. That's the concern and I said the same thing when the initial feedback from the combine was that Allen was a rock as well. He scored well on the wonderlic and I suppose that helps his case. Lamar struggled on whiteboards then bombed the wonderlic. That is the only insight we have into how smart these guys are and neither result was good. For his sake sake hopefully he proves everyone wrong. For my sanity I don't want another QB who can't understand the game and process it in under 3 seconds. 1
John from Riverside Posted April 16, 2018 Posted April 16, 2018 Just now, Gugny said: But he's the only one who scored ridiculously low on the Wonderlic and has his mommy as his agent. This dude has red flags all over the place, John. Red flags for off the field stuff...... By the way....I really dont consider loving his mommy to really be that much of a red flag.....he is sticking with who he trusts. I only care about one thing.....CAN THE KID PLAY FOOTBALL..... ....he can .....he is uber talented both in arm and mobility ....he has gotten better EVERY YEAR and has room to grow further ....he comes out of college injury free He is not my top choice because I want to see what a really accurate passer would look like under bills center.....but unlike many here I realize you cannot be locked in onto one player in a draft with 31 other NFL teams looking to improve themselves as well......I think Bean is trying to trade up....and I think he will not hurt the franchise in a attempt to do so with so much qb talent available.... 1
HappyDays Posted April 16, 2018 Posted April 16, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Commonsense said: Shall we pull up your horrible takes on Carson Wentz? Then find mine on Mike Glennon? Then we can both be dismissed from the conversation and hit the bar? The difference is my take will eventually be proven true Edited April 16, 2018 by HappyDays
CommonCents Posted April 16, 2018 Posted April 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Red flags for off the field stuff...... By the way....I really dont consider loving his mommy to really be that much of a red flag.....he is sticking with who he trusts. I only care about one thing.....CAN THE KID PLAY FOOTBALL..... ....he can .....he is uber talented both in arm and mobility ....he has gotten better EVERY YEAR and has room to grow further ....he comes out of college injury free He is not my top choice because I want to see what a really accurate passer would look like under bills center.....but unlike many here I realize you cannot be locked in onto one player in a draft with 31 other NFL teams looking to improve themselves as well......I think Bean is trying to trade up....and I think he will not hurt the franchise in a attempt to do so with so much qb talent available.... I think everyone is in the same boat. Some guys like one QB more than others but mostly it's just about getting a guy good enough to win with. The fear with sitting at 12 and taking Lamar is in two years we are sitting here saying he is fun to watch but he just isn't good enough. He really did himself a disservice by not hiring an agent and going unprepared. If he had scored and interviewed better it would make his selection more understandable. FWIW when I heard Allen was a rock after the combine I labeled him as a do not touch. Then he aces the wonderlic and we can atleast determine that he has a brain, still worrying about the football part of things. Lamar missed that opportunity by scoring so low. 1
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted April 16, 2018 Posted April 16, 2018 14 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Red flags for off the field stuff...... By the way....I really dont consider loving his mommy to really be that much of a red flag.....he is sticking with who he trusts. I only care about one thing.....CAN THE KID PLAY FOOTBALL..... ....he can .....he is uber talented both in arm and mobility ....he has gotten better EVERY YEAR and has room to grow further ....he comes out of college injury free He is not my top choice because I want to see what a really accurate passer would look like under bills center.....but unlike many here I realize you cannot be locked in onto one player in a draft with 31 other NFL teams looking to improve themselves as well......I think Bean is trying to trade up....and I think he will not hurt the franchise in a attempt to do so with so much qb talent available.... I don't think he is uber talented but he might be a good uber driver in 3 years. 1 2
John from Riverside Posted April 16, 2018 Posted April 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I don't think he is uber talented but he might be a good uber driver in 3 years. This of course is such a thoughtful post....please do post more.
1billsfan Posted April 16, 2018 Posted April 16, 2018 58 minutes ago, Gugny said: But he's the only one who scored ridiculously low on the Wonderlic and has his mommy as his agent. This dude has red flags all over the place, John. You seem obsessed with Jackson’s wonderlic score. I could care less if he got a 13, go watch his unreal tape. Teams only care if the QB has the intelligence to handle the offense they’d be implementing, and whether or not he has the leadership qualities to become a long term franchise QB. IMO Jackson has very high football intelligence. He makes decisions hyper-quickly, and seems to have a sixth sense during the course of plays. I predict he'll become the most beloved QB by his team in this draft. Jackson is a guy that other NFL players will want to play with and will want to be lead by. 1
Gugny Posted April 16, 2018 Posted April 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, 1billsfan said: You seem obsessed with Jackson’s wonderlic score. I could care less if he got a 13, go watch his unreal tape. Teams only care if the QB has the intelligence to handle the offense they’d be implementing, and whether or not he has the leadership qualities to become a long term franchise QB. IMO Jackson has very high football intelligence. He makes decisions hyper-quickly, and seems to have a sixth sense during the course of plays. I predict he'll become the most beloved QB by his team in this draft. Jackson is a guy that other NFL players will want to play with and will want to be lead by. Can I watch Tebow's unreal tape? Then Vince Young's unreal tape? How about Ryan Leaf's unreal tape, or Jamarcus Russell? Great college QBs don't always (rarely, in fact) make great NFL QBs. Great college QBs who aren't smart enough to break 16 on the wonderlic NEVER make good NFL QBs. They're great in college because they're playing against defenses that have - MAYBE - one future NFL starter on the field at any given time. Leaders don't hire mommy to be their agents. And true NFL QB prospects don't need to take any time to prove to NFL teams that they're actually a QB.
John from Riverside Posted April 16, 2018 Posted April 16, 2018 11 minutes ago, Gugny said: Can I watch Tebow's unreal tape? Then Vince Young's unreal tape? How about Ryan Leaf's unreal tape, or Jamarcus Russell? Great college QBs don't always (rarely, in fact) make great NFL QBs. Great college QBs who aren't smart enough to break 16 on the wonderlic NEVER make good NFL QBs. They're great in college because they're playing against defenses that have - MAYBE - one future NFL starter on the field at any given time. Leaders don't hire mommy to be their agents. And true NFL QB prospects don't need to take any time to prove to NFL teams that they're actually a QB. So why are we so high on the supposid top three if this is even the case? Why not just draft where we draft and not give up our picks?
1billsfan Posted April 16, 2018 Posted April 16, 2018 13 minutes ago, Gugny said: Can I watch Tebow's unreal tape? Then Vince Young's unreal tape? How about Ryan Leaf's unreal tape, or Jamarcus Russell? Great college QBs don't always (rarely, in fact) make great NFL QBs. Great college QBs who aren't smart enough to break 16 on the wonderlic NEVER make good NFL QBs. They're great in college because they're playing against defenses that have - MAYBE - one future NFL starter on the field at any given time. Leaders don't hire mommy to be their agents. And true NFL QB prospects don't need to take any time to prove to NFL teams that they're actually a QB. What?! Where was that one ever written? If I were Jackson's team mate, having his Mom as his agent tells me I'd never have worry about him being tackled by a cop in the middle of the night.
transplantbillsfan Posted April 16, 2018 Posted April 16, 2018 3 hours ago, Gugny said: Calling a stupid person stupid is a personal attack? Color me guilty, then. Well... yeah, you're guilty. Glad you can admit that. It's like if people in this thread called you a loser. Just because you're proving in this thread you're a loser, it's still a personal attack.
transplantbillsfan Posted April 16, 2018 Posted April 16, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Gugny said: My observation has been that since 2000 - every single QB who has scored under 16 has not been a successful NFL starter. 100% of them over the past 18 seasons. Lamar Jackson scored a 13. A !@#$ing 13. I've never said anything about a "southern slang," with regard to predicting the level of one's success as an NFL QB. We don't put words in others' mouths around here. 3 hours ago, joesixpack said: Because, every QB that people have cited played 30+ years ago. Maybe you haven't noticed or you just don't understand the game is fundamentally different now than then. QBs need to process quickly. 13 ain't gonna cut it, sorry. https://footballiqscore.com/ Do us all a favor. 1) Take the test right now with no practice. I'm betting that's what Jackson did since he's probably the only high profile coming out in decades to not have an Agent who would force him to practice and prepare for the test itself. The truth of the matter is that you can drastically improve your score on standardized tests with a few simple test taking strategies. It's often not indicative of intelligence or processing speed, but prior practice and proper test taking strategies. and 2) Tell us which questions apply to being a QB on an NFL field in terms of executing an offensive playbook and reading defenses. 3 hours ago, joesixpack said: That's exactly what I mean. If the guy knows he'll be tested IN ADVANCE and can't manage to do the work to score well on it (or is too stupid to realize he can) then I want him nowhere near this team. Maybe he just didn't think the test was worth a damn so he broke with convention and didn't prepare for the exam. From the sounds of it, it's possible the kid (and his mother) is so sick and tired of being cajoled time and time again into trying out other positions like punt returner or WR when all he's wanted to be is a QB and he's had historic success at the position after the last couple of years that's he's just at a "take it or leave it," point. He's going to be playing QB for a football team, he's not going to be a rocket scientist. What's the point of a standardized test? If you argue it's processing speed or ability to execute an NFL offense, he could just point to his college film over the last 2 years in an NFL offense against high-level competition. Edited April 16, 2018 by transplantbillsfan
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