DP Browns want to trade with Giants - Dorsey Confirmed speaking to Gettleman & said Jets didn't offer enough for 1

[John from Riverside]

Just now, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

This is accurate my nightmare scenario.

Watch him end up being the best qb to come out of this draft

[YoloinOhio]

52 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

I'm wondering what team put this out there and what their trying to ultimately accomplish by putting this out there...

Maybe the Browns want OBJ and will trade the Giants the #1 pick for the right to take him off their hands and pay him. The NYG get their QB and say, Corey Coleman who the Browns are ready to move on from. Browns sell them on fact they really want Darnold and will take him there if no trade, but if they can get obj they are willing to move some things around given the fact they already have a starting QB and have some flexibility.

 

But they really wanted Allen all along, and will take him at 2.  

[2003Contenders]

In addition to trying to toy with the Giants and potentially extort a pick or two from them, it is certainly possible that the Browns could also be playing games with the players' agents.

 

The Browns did the same thing back in 1999, when Tim Couch was the apple of their eye. They suggested right up until draft day that Akili Smith was also in play at #1 overall. The Browns never had any serious interest in Smith but just wanted to present the threat of looking elsewhere for the #1 overall pick as part of a negotiation tactic with Couch's people. I know the advent of the Rookie cap and slotting helps to ease some of the negotiating process, but things like signing bonuses and guaranteed money are still in play.

 

Remember that the Browns met with Darnold's family and agent last week. That was very highly publicized. We dd not hear nearly as much about who all they met with in Wyoming on Friday.

[Logic]

As pointed out on Twitter this morning, the Browns:

- Gave up a high 3rd round pick for a very capable bridge QB and immediately named him starter
- Also signed Drew Stanton (Starter: Tyrod, Backup: Stanton, 3rd/development: Rookie)
- Have a GM who was involved in the drafting and redshirting of Mahomes and Rodgers
- Have an OC (Todd Haley) who most recently had success with a big-armed, strong QB (Big Ben)

No one should be the least bit surprised if the Browns DO, in fact, take Josh Allen. And my, what a Browns-y thing that would be! Here's hoping it happens!

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, Logic said:

As pointed out on Twitter this morning, the Browns:

- Gave up a high 3rd round pick for a very capable bridge QB and immediately named him starter
- Also signed Drew Stanton (Starter: Tyrod, Backup: Stanton, 3rd/development: Rookie)
- Have a GM who was involved in the drafting and redshirting of Mahomes and Rodgers
- Have an OC (Todd Haley) who most recently had success with a big-armed, strong QB (Big Ben)

No one should be the least bit surprised if the Browns DO, in fact, take Josh Allen. And my, what a Browns-y thing that would be! Here's hoping it happens!

 

Nothing would make me more happy than Allen going #1 and we get either Mayfield/Rosen/Darnold.  It would be a dream.

 

[YoloinOhio]

3 minutes ago, Logic said:

As pointed out on Twitter this morning, the Browns:

- Gave up a high 3rd round pick for a very capable bridge QB and immediately named him starter
- Also signed Drew Stanton (Starter: Tyrod, Backup: Stanton, 3rd/development: Rookie)
- Have a GM who was involved in the drafting and redshirting of Mahomes and Rodgers
- Have an OC (Todd Haley) who most recently had success with a big-armed, strong QB (Big Ben)

No one should be the least bit surprised if the Browns DO, in fact, take Josh Allen. And my, what a Browns-y thing that would be! Here's hoping it happens!

He’s going to be pretty good imo, for a team with the time and patience to allow him to develop. 

[GoBills808]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

He’s going to be pretty good imo, for a team with the time and patience to allow him to develop. 

I agree. I think Allen is going to run the league for a long time personally.

[NewEraBills]

3 minutes ago, Logic said:

As pointed out on Twitter this morning, the Browns:

- Gave up a high 3rd round pick for a very capable bridge QB and immediately named him starter
- Also signed Drew Stanton (Starter: Tyrod, Backup: Stanton, 3rd/development: Rookie)
- Have a GM who was involved in the drafting and redshirting of Mahomes and Rodgers
- Have an OC (Todd Haley) who most recently had success with a big-armed, strong QB (Big Ben)

No one should be the least bit surprised if the Browns DO, in fact, take Josh Allen. And my, what a Browns-y thing that would be! Here's hoping it happens!

 

Except that this time, they have the right people surrounding Allen and he'd be in a perfect situation.  It might be Brownsy, but I think that would be a perfect situation for Allen to succeed.

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Nothing would make me more happy than Allen going #1 and we get either Mayfield/Rosen/Darnold.  It would be a dream.

 

Me too. Allen could go #1, but there's no way the Bills get one of the top four QBs imo. 

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, Boatdrinks said:

Me too. Allen could go #1, but there's no way the Bills get one of the top four QBs imo. 

 

Why do you think that?

[Logic]

5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He’s going to be pretty good imo, for a team with the time and patience to allow him to develop. 

I respectfully disagree, and will be more than ready to eat crow if I'm wrong. 

I'll admit to being predisposed to anti-Allen bias by being a Bills fan, and thus being terrified of big-armed, inaccurate QBs who "check all of the physical boxes" but can't actually play QB well. Nevertheless...as pointed out by The Ringer, in all major measurable quarterback performance metrics, Josh Allen ranks DEAD LAST among draftable quarterbacks this year. Dead last. 

To choose him over guys like Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold -- who are superior in every statistical category despite playing against vastly superior competition -- simply based on the idea that Allen has a cannon arm and big upside, would be foolhardy and arrogant. I expect it to happen, though, because NFL GMs ARE often foolhardy and arrogant, and they fall into this trap over and over again.

Again, I recognize that scouting (especially at the QB position) and projecting players into the NFL is a very complex business, and I'll admit if I'm way off on this one. But I don't think I am. Allen terrifies me.

Edited March 26, 2018 by Logic

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I agree. I think Allen is going to run the league for a long time personally.

Darnold is more raw than Allen. His footwork is a mess. He has less than 2 years experience playing cfb. He is turnover prone - that doesn’t usually get better in the pros. However his strengths are making plays under duress and when things break down in the pocket. He is definitely an Aaron Rodgers type given the time to develop. Last part is key. He should have gone back to school but I understand why he didn’t. 

[dezertbill]

3 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

Josh Norris‏Verified account @JoshNorris 3m3 minutes ago

This morning on the @dpshow, Dan Patrick cites a scouting source saying the Browns are using their "love" of Sam Darnold as bait, hoping the Giants trade up to No. 1... adding the Browns prefer Josh Allen.

 

 

To me this means the Browns have a potential deal in place w/ Buffalo and the Bills covet Darnold.  

 

Why else would the Browns try to bait Gmen to move up one spot for a QB they don’t  want.

 

My sense is Browns know if Bills take Darnold, GIants will take Barkley or Chubb.  That leaves 2 of 3 (either Allen, ROsen, Mayfield), at 4. Browns must know Jets would rather have Rosen or Mayfield and they will still get Allen.

 

So their message to gettlemen is you either trade up to get your QB or lose him to Buffalo. 

 

I know there is a lot of what if. But I truly believe teams at the top have a sense of who wants what player by now. That’s why the are able to jockey so freely. 

 

Edited March 26, 2018 by dezertbill

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Logic said:

I respectfully disagree, and will be more than ready to eat crow if I'm wrong. 

I'll admit to being predisposed to anti-Allen bias by being a Bills fan, and thus being terrified of big-armed, inaccurate QBs who "check all of the physical boxes" but can't actually play QB well. Nevertheless...as pointed out by The Ringer, in all major measurable quarterback performance metrics, Josh Allen ranks DEAD LAST among draftable quarterbacks this year. Dead last. 

To choose him over guys like Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold -- who are superior in every statistical category despite playing against vastly superior competition -- simply based on the idea that he has a cannon arm and big upside, would be foolhardy and arrogant. I expect it to happen, though, because NFL GMs ARE often foolhardy and arrogant, and they fall into this trap over and over again.

Again, I recognize that scouting (especially at the QB position) and projecting players into the NFL is a very complex business, and I'll admit if I'm way off on this one. But I don't think I am. Allen terrifies me.

 

I feel the same way about Allen.  I know he played at Wyoming and doesn't have the greatest talent to work with but also didn't play against higher level competition consistently.

His production is just lacking for me.

 

I haven't seen Allen play a lot so I'm relying on what other "experts" are saying about him and the video I've seen....both highlights, lowlights and breakdowns.  His accuracy is just so inconsistent I'm not sure it can be fixed.

[GoBills808]

5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I feel the same way about Allen.  I know he played at Wyoming and doesn't have the greatest talent to work with but also didn't play against higher level competition consistently.

His production is just lacking for me.

 

I haven't seen Allen play a lot so I'm relying on what other "experts" are saying about him and the video I've seen....both highlights, lowlights and breakdowns.  His accuracy is just so inconsistent I'm not sure it can be fixed.

Don't you talk about the Mountain West like that!

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

Don't you talk about the Mountain West like that!

 

They definitely have a great conference name....Mountain West sounds pretty cool.

[Reed83HOF]

53 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Maybe the Browns want OBJ and will trade the Giants the #1 pick for the right to take him off their hands and pay him. The NYG get their QB and say, Corey Coleman who the Browns are ready to move on from. Browns sell them on fact they really want Darnold and will take him there if no trade, but if they can get obj they are willing to move some things around given the fact they already have a starting QB and have some flexibility.

 

But they really wanted Allen all along, and will take him at 2.  

That would be one heck of a blockbuster trade!

[Chuck Wagon]

I do thoroughly enjoy how people have decided Allen is just garbage who has no chance of success.

[Seventeen]

16 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I feel the same way about Allen.  I know he played at Wyoming and doesn't have the greatest talent to work with but also didn't play against higher level competition consistently.

His production is just lacking for me.

 

I haven't seen Allen play a lot so I'm relying on what other "experts" are saying about him and the video I've seen....both highlights, lowlights and breakdowns.  His accuracy is just so inconsistent I'm not sure it can be fixed.

 

Russell Wilson played in the ACC his 1st 3 years and was sub 60% completion. Transferred to Wisconsin and was 70 +.  If Wilson had come out after his junior year, folks would have said the same thing about him.

 

I would like to think Allen would have improved his senior year, but no way to really know. I'm sure part of his decision was related to how Wyoming was looking for next year.

 

[CLTbills]

3 hours ago, BillsFan2313 said:

 

Rosen is the only one I would give a kings ransom for. This would be great

I agree here. If the Jets take Baker at 3, I have no problem trading up to 4 for Rosen