Original Byrd Man Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 55 minutes ago, Batman1876 said: How often do can’t miss QBs appear in the draft? Once every 25 years? Which one of these QB's is a can't miss prospect? I'll tell you, none of em. I'm not saying any or all of them will not be elite but they all have issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: It's not a matter of who's more important. Everyone knows the answer to that question. It's a matter of who can play. Would you rather have another EJ or a Hall of Fame linebacker? Beane might not evaluate the available QBs as high as the talking heads do. We're not talking about trading back and taking the first QB at #17 in a QB-weak draft. At least 3 of the top 6 QBs are better prospects than EJ. If Beane doesnt have them rated better than EJ he should be fired. And frankly, a HoF LB isnt going to get us anywhere. Maybe 9-7 instead of 7-9. We can lose games 14-10. It'll be a blast. Again. Just like the past 20 years. Carolina's SB run was way more on Cam than Kuechly. Without Cam, that team barely sniffs the playoffs. 2 minutes ago, Radar said: Are you considering that the team's we need to trade up to get that Qb with aren't interested in trading down? I'm not sure we can get into the top six even if they want to. Yeah, I consider it, and I dont care. That doesnt mean we shouldnt TRY to get up there. OP is saying they shouldnt even try to get into top 3. 3 minutes ago, Original Byrd Man said: Which one of these QB's is a can't miss prospect? I'll tell you, none of em. I'm not saying any or all of them will not be elite but they all have issues. There are always a lot of reasons to NOT do something. And that kind of fear-based decision making will get you no where. Heck, even the Colts were debating whether they should go Manning or Leaf right up to draft day. That doesnt mean Greg Ellis, the top LB in 1998, was the right choice. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 40 minutes ago, Original Byrd Man said: Which one of these QB's is a can't miss prospect? I'll tell you, none of em. I'm not saying any or all of them will not be elite but they all have issues. If you wait for a can’t miss prospect you will end up waiting g forever. Only one team has ever had the chance to draft a can’t miss QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: Take Smith at 12 and them move up a few slots and take Jackson if need be. Problem solved. Does anyone actually think there's a huge difference between the top 6 Qbs in this draft? are any of these guys a can't miss, Andrew Luck type? No. Yes. I think Rosen is clearly the best. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Just now, GunnerBill said: Yes. I think Rosen is clearly the best. I agree Rosen is the best. In another thread I've said I think it will come down to his interview. If he interviews well I think Beane will do all he can to move up and get him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Batman1876 said: How many line backers do you need to make Trent Edwards look like Cam Newton? 2. The answer is 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 8 minutes ago, Batman1876 said: If you wait for a can’t miss prospect you will end up waiting g forever. Only one team has ever had the chance to draft a can’t miss QB. And they had that chance THREE !@#$ing TIMES!! Elway, Manning, Luck... the horseshoe is real! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaLoko Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Batman1876 said: How many line backers do you need to make Trent Edwards look like Cam Newton? Hey Dark Knight...but...but..there is no Cam Newton in this draft! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 25 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: And they had that chance THREE !@#$ing TIMES!! Elway, Manning, Luck... the horseshoe is real! Sometimes it pays to suck instead of being a middling team 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 2 hours ago, T master said: Ever since the Bills have brought in the pairing of Mc Bean they have done things totally opposite of what the fans have thought, their collective vision is something different from anything Bills fans have seen in quite sometime. When the trades started to happen of the big name players that we all thought the team were to hang their hats on like Sammy, Dareus, Glenn the posts here & else where fans & "experts" alike weren't sure the process McD talked of was the right way to do things. In this draft all the talk surrounds the QB position (which we do need) & how the Bills are positioning them selves to go up & grab one of the top 5 listed as the best in this draft which we all know who they are because they have been slammed down our throat in almost every article we read weather here or on our favorite NFL web sights . I am starting to think that given what we have seen from the HC & GM of the Bills they could be thinking differently than most every one else due to their short history of moves made while here. McDermott while in Carolina saw what a gifted LB can do for the D in Kueckly & seeing as our D was one of the worst at stopping the run coupled with the loss of Preston in the middle I think this could be one of the Bills first picks in the draft this yr. if they stay at 12 or do a lessor move to say 8 which would be less costly in draft picks but more cost effective with the player chose by the move . There are 2 LB's this year that aren't getting as much talk as the QB's but are day one starters that would make an instant impact on the Bills D for yrs to come those 2 players being Trumaine Edmunds from VT & Roquan Smith from GA which Smith while watching his highlight film looks an awful lot like Kueckly the guy is everywhere on the field always making plays . Although Edmunds is much bigger & wreaks a ton of havoc in the back field (like another VT pass rusher the Bills took in the draft) either of these guys would be a better get at 12 rather than blowing our wodd on a QB that could wind up not being a NFL caliber QB which as we know with the draft of EJ, & Losman it can set the team back years ! Then with the second of the first round picks get their QB which would be less of a risk/reward pick & with the haul of other draft picks they have the team would be more set up for future greatness at a better cost . I also think with Mc Beans pick up of AJ that could have been part of their collective thinking that it gives them the possible bridge QB (and flexibility) if not a franchise guy if he is the guy he's been in his past to wait to see how things play out, after all Aaron Rogers fell & many other HOF QB's were taken later in the draft rather than at #1 or #2. So with all the talk around the draft & moving up, blowing out all of what they have gotten in draft picks with the "Experts" telling us what they always think will be the powers that be at One Bills Dr could have a totally different draft strategy from what we all think . I could be totally wrong because i'm just a fan but wanted to post a different train of thought than all this QB stuff !! Could this be a path taken by Mc Bean & company contrary to what the "experts" think ?? Passing on Watson last season at 10 and all of this years loaded QB class to move up no less for an ILB would be a terrible idea imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 33 minutes ago, BuffaLoko said: Hey Dark Knight...but...but..there is no Cam Newton in this draft! So there isn't any talented QBs in this draft with huge questions which make you wonder if they will be a Bust? I think there are 5 such QBs. 57 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: And they had that chance THREE !@#$ing TIMES!! Elway, Manning, Luck... the horseshoe is real! Even Manning wasn't can't miss. People questioned his lack of any athleticism, an arm that was just ok and his inability to come through in the clutch at Tennessee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Finkel Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 I don't think Smith will last until 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 3 hours ago, rodneykm said: If we had a legit franchise QB on our roster ( not knocking AJ but who knows about him yet ), I'd agree with you. Hell even if we had a serviceable QB at the helm I might be inclined to agree with you. However, to have worked our way into shouting distance of a potential franchise QB only to pick a LB instead would be catastrophic for not only McDermott and Beane but the Buffalo Bills as a franchise. Completely agree. As much as I admit we need a fast LB, this organization has lacked a long term qb for nearly 20 years. I don't know too many LB'S who can throw a game winning TD to a TE in the back of the end zone. Yes there's tons of risk will all these guys (after Darnold), but we can't wait any longer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 22 minutes ago, Batman1876 said: So there isn't any talented QBs in this draft with huge questions which make you wonder if they will be a Bust? I think there are 5 such QBs. Even Manning wasn't can't miss. People questioned his lack of any athleticism, an arm that was just ok and his inability to come through in the clutch at Tennessee. Yep, Ive said the same. The Colts were debating between him and Leaf right up to draft day. So for the posters who want to sit back and wait for a "sure thing", and then hope you have the #1 overall pick that year... It will never, ever, ever happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smuvtalker Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Believing that a LB is more important than QB, sounds exactly like something the Bills would do. Spending a year trading away opportunity and talent in order to collect assets for the QB-heavy 2018 draft, and then not using them to get a top QB, sounds exactly like something the Bills would do. Loading up on Defense and Running Game in a QB-centric, pass-happy league, sounds exactly like something the Bills would do. If, after all this, Team McBeane go out and act like every previous regime, might as well start the billboard fund and start looking for their replacements. Spot on sir. Spot on. +1000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Reed83HOF said: Sometimes it pays to suck instead of being a middling team EXACTLY. 8-8, 7-9, 9-7 is the WORST position to be in. I'd literally rather be 0-16 than 8-8 or 7-9. Edited March 26, 2018 by joesixpack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 If we land Edmunds or Roquan I am pumped! That is exactly what our defense needs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 I am guessing we get our defensive and offensive QBs both in round 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 You have to be sold on Rudolph to go with OP's plan. I'm not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 49 minutes ago, joesixpack said: EXACTLY. 8-8, 7-9, 9-7 is the WORST position to be in. I'd literally rather be 0-16 than 8-8 or 7-9. You have no shot at blue chip talent and trying to be in a position to get a shot at the top QBs is really a pipe dream. Biggest problem over the last 20 years was not bottoming out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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