Tatonka68 Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) Another one read and run QB, when will people learn. Weak armed inaccurate overrated QB. Edited March 25, 2018 by Tatonka68 1 1
Yuleofell Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) You need to watch some film, lol. Lamar is anything but a one read weak armed QB. If anything, he stays in the pocket too long and There is a YouTube video of him throwing a 95 yard pass in high school. Edited March 25, 2018 by Yuleofell 1
LeGOATski Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said: Another one read and run QB, when will people learn. Weak armed inaccurate overrated QB. Did you see him throw that total duck at the combine? He was trying to hit a 50-60 yard bomb during the deep throw portion of the workout and it went maybe 40 yards. That's just a drill at the combine with no one but him and the WR. The kid needs a lot of work. His potential could definitely be worth the 22nd pick, though. 5 minutes ago, Yuleofell said: You need to watch some film, lol. Lamar is anything but a one read weak armed QB. If anything, he stays in the pocket too long and There is a YouTube video of him throwing a 95 yard pass in high school. The problem isn't his ability, it's his consistency. He can throw a 95 yard bomb and then not be able to throw 50 on the next. This is Bush league stuff we're talking about, anyway. The kid needs a lot of work or a lot of compromise from his OC, which leads to failure. Sure, draft him at 22 and then have him sit for 2 years. I'm sure fans are gonna love that ? Edited March 25, 2018 by LeGOATski
Alphadawg7 Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 10 hours ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: I feel like I’m in Groundhog Day Literally beat me to it!!! hahahhaha I actually started a thread for this like 6 weeks ago too hahaha. Lamar will go in round 1, and probably before pick 22. But if we have not taken a QB and he's on the board at 22, then YES grab him. Hell, I would take him at 12 too.
LABILLBACKER Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 9 hours ago, BrycePaup4ever said: Do u think they should trade the late 3rd pick with 22 to move up to 16 or 17 if he is there? I think it would be a mistake to let someone else grab him around 17. If we only have to give up a 3rd then do it. I'd rather have Lamar over Mason.
Tatonka68 Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 4 INTS in his last bowl game. Isn't that the same thing people say about Petermen ? 1
1billsfan Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 34 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: No one's arguing he wasn't a prolific scorer and one of the greatest running QBs of all time. It's convenient to leave out Taylor's senior year, which was his best after becoming the true starter, which was only 2 years. Getting back to my point: both rely heavily on their run game, so they're very comparable. Is it even a bad comparison or are Jackson fans just so insecure that they want to ignore it and chastise anyone who doesn't? Taylor is more accurate and relied less on his running ability to score. Taylor's rushTD/passTD ratio: 52% Jackson's: 72% Jackson's also very inconsistent with his footwork, same as Taylor, and is a project, same as Taylor. They're really comparable. It doesn't mean Jackson won't be a successful QB, so don't get so butthurt over this. Picking Jackson at 22 is good value, anyway. If they can grab a star LB, for instance, at 12 and then Jackson at 22, that will be a good first round. I didn’t include his Taylor’s senior season because Jackson’s leaving early. Does it really matter? Don’t you think that Jackson would have had yet another season of stellar passing stats in his senior season? Jackson beat him by 49 TD passes! Taylor got drafted in the 6th round and Jackson’s going to be drafted in the 1st round. You yourself said that you would draft him in the 1st round. Jackson is Pepsi and Taylor is RC Cola. They’re just not comparable.
TPS Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 I haven’t seen much of him, but if the Bills can’t get Darnold, then I’d rather they stay put and draft him at 12. Rosen won’t last more than 5 years; Allen is Jay Cutler 2; and mayfield is an !@#$. Let AJ take the reins while Jackson learns, and use the accumulated picks to draft 4-5 other starters. Its just my opinion man...
LeGOATski Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, 1billsfan said: I didn’t include his Taylor’s senior season because Jackson’s leaving early. Does it really matter? Don’t you think that Jackson would have had yet another season of stellar passing stats in his senior season? Jackson beat him by 49 TD passes! Taylor got drafted in the 6th round and Jackson’s going to be drafted in the 1st round. You yourself said that you would draft him in the 1st round. Jackson is Pepsi and Taylor is RC Cola. They’re just not comparable. Taylor became a starter in the NFL. Easily beating a 1st round pick and all other failed first rounders by association. They're absolutely comparable. Can you even imagine that Jackson just becomes an average NFL starter or not even? Is it possible???
Solomon Grundy Posted March 26, 2018 Posted March 26, 2018 48 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Did you see him throw that total duck at the combine? He was trying to hit a 50-60 yard bomb during the deep throw portion of the workout and it went maybe 40 yards. That's just a drill at the combine with no one but him and the WR. The kid needs a lot of work. His potential could definitely be worth the 22nd pick, though. The problem isn't his ability, it's his consistency. He can throw a 95 yard bomb and then not be able to throw 50 on the next. This is Bush league stuff we're talking about, anyway. The kid needs a lot of work or a lot of compromise from his OC, which leads to failure. Sure, draft him at 22 and then have him sit for 2 years. I'm sure fans are gonna love that ? I guess you missed Rosen throw a turf ball at the same combine? Did that throw de-value his prospects? How is Josh Allen a "top 4" QB and he is more inconsistent than Jackson? 39 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said: 4 INTS in his last bowl game. Isn't that the same thing people say about Petermen ? You're killing me with this!! Didn't Darnold have a 4 turnover (2INT/2fumble) game last year? 19 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Taylor became a starter in the NFL. Easily beating a 1st round pick and all other failed first rounders by association. They're absolutely comparable. Can you even imagine that Jackson just becomes an average NFL starter or not even? Is it possible??? Jackson's floor is Taylor, his ceiling is Warren Moon
LeGOATski Posted March 26, 2018 Posted March 26, 2018 Just now, the skycap said: I guess you missed Rosen throw a turf ball at the same combine? Did that throw de-value his prospects? How is Josh Allen a "top 4" QB and he is more inconsistent than Jackson? I didn't. Yeah, it probably did to a degree. Missing NFL throws in a practice setting doesn't do you any good when you're auditioning for the NFL. Probably a degree less than Jackson, though, since Rosen has a much better resume in terms of NFL readiness. Allen is definitely inconsistent. He sure auditioned well, though. Why are you asking me to justify the media's grades?
John from Riverside Posted March 26, 2018 Posted March 26, 2018 21 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Taylor became a starter in the NFL. Easily beating a 1st round pick and all other failed first rounders by association. They're absolutely comparable. Can you even imagine that Jackson just becomes an average NFL starter or not even? Is it possible??? The only thing that is comparable between the two is they are both great athletes with Lamar Jackson being even more special in that area their college productivity is not comparable the systems they ran in college are not comparable there is a reason why Jackson is considered a high pick and type was a first round picj 2 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: I didn't. Yeah, it probably did to a degree. Missing NFL throws in a practice setting doesn't do you any good when you're auditioning for the NFL. Probably a degree less than Jackson, though, since Rosen has a much better resume in terms of NFL readiness. Allen is definitely inconsistent. He sure auditioned well, though. Why are you asking me to justify the media's grades? Which is why Rosen will go higher and also cost us a lot more
Solomon Grundy Posted March 26, 2018 Posted March 26, 2018 1 minute ago, LeGOATski said: I didn't. Yeah, it probably did to a degree. Missing NFL throws in a practice setting doesn't do you any good when you're auditioning for the NFL. Probably a degree less than Jackson, though, since Rosen has a much better resume in terms of NFL readiness. Allen is definitely inconsistent. He sure auditioned well, though. Why are you asking me to justify the media's grades? Brian Billick said Kyle Boller auditioned well too. Many on here consider Jackson Tyrod 2.0. We know Tyrod can win games in the league, so who's more NFL ready? I'm not asking you to justify the medias grades, just wondering where you are getting your assessments from.
Mat68 Posted March 26, 2018 Posted March 26, 2018 On the filed Jackson has the least amount of red flags of any qb in draft. During the past 3 months I think Jackson has handled the process the worst. Not having an agent and not hiring a renouned Qb coach to help correct his short comings has made be question his ability to be a sustained success as a professional. Vince young had a fantastic rookie year but quickly fizzled out. His physical gifts will only carry him so far. He needs to continue to develop inside the pocket.
Solomon Grundy Posted March 26, 2018 Posted March 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Mat68 said: On the filed Jackson has the least amount of red flags of any qb in draft. During the past 3 months I think Jackson has handled the process the worst. Not having an agent and not hiring a renouned Qb coach to help correct his short comings has made be question his ability to be a sustained success as a professional. Vince young had a fantastic rookie year but quickly fizzled out. His physical gifts will only carry him so far. He needs to continue to develop inside the pocket. How do we know he's NOT working with a QB coach?? Every coach he's played for speaks HIGHLY of his work ethic. Not having an agent won't hurt him financially and he's letting his play speak for itself!!
Mat68 Posted March 26, 2018 Posted March 26, 2018 1 minute ago, the skycap said: How do we know he's NOT working with a QB coach?? Every coach he's played for speaks HIGHLY of his work ethic. Not having an agent won't hurt him financially and he's letting his play speak for itself!! Maybe he is but i would expect he would perform better at the combine if he was. That week is about buzz. By not working any of the physical drills instead of what a freak Jackson is only people talked about switching to wr. An agent helps him better handle that than his mom.
John from Riverside Posted March 26, 2018 Posted March 26, 2018 33 minutes ago, the skycap said: I guess you missed Rosen throw a turf ball at the same combine? Did that throw de-value his prospects? How is Josh Allen a "top 4" QB and he is more inconsistent than Jackson? You're killing me with this!! Didn't Darnold have a 4 turnover (2INT/2fumble) game last year? Jackson's floor is Taylor, his ceiling is Warren Moon Raise your hand if you would take warren moon as your qb (raises hand)
Solomon Grundy Posted March 26, 2018 Posted March 26, 2018 Just now, John from Riverside said: Raise your hand if you would take warren moon as your qb (raises hand) They won't fess up John
LeGOATski Posted March 26, 2018 Posted March 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, the skycap said: Brian Billick said Kyle Boller auditioned well too. Many on here consider Jackson Tyrod 2.0. We know Tyrod can win games in the league, so who's more NFL ready? I'm not asking you to justify the medias grades, just wondering where you are getting your assessments from. Tyrod can manage games in the league. You can argue that he's had success because he learned to be so conservative. The same reason why he's frustrating. With Jackson's inaccuracy and technical issues, if he comes out guns blazing in the NFL, he might not even achieve what Taylor has. He had more success in college, but his NFL readiness is definitely comparable to Taylor. Those same weaknesses are why he's not considered a top 5 pick, despite the legendary college success. You just have to watch the games and listen to film review from knowledgeable people like Eric from Cover1 or Matt Waldman or Voch Lombardi has some good QB reviews.
Solomon Grundy Posted March 26, 2018 Posted March 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Tyrod can manage games in the league. You can argue that he's had success because he learned to be so conservative. The same reason why he's frustrating. With Jackson's inaccuracy and technical issues, if he comes out guns blazing in the NFL, he might not even achieve what Taylor has. He had more success in college, but his NFL readiness is definitely comparable to Taylor. Those same weaknesses are why he's not considered a top 5 pick, despite the legendary college success. You just have to watch the games and listen to film review from knowledgeable people like Eric from Cover1 or Matt Waldman or Voch Lombardi has some good QB reviews. I've been to everyone of them!! Matt Waldman and Eric dispelled the belief that he's is a run first QB and that he "can't read defenses". This is why I can't believe posters are still stating such fallacies. I posted something from a Chargers site earlier saying how it would be a MISTAKE to pass on Jackson. Here's another article from a Bengals site: https://stripehype.com/2018/03/23/lamar-jackson-provide-competition-quarterback/
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