billsfan_34 Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: They are all projects to more or less of an extent. I'm not sure that Rudolph won't be better than Jackson or Allen. I like Mayfield a lot, but I don't think he will be available at 12. If he is on the board after Denver's pick, I hope that they can swing a deal to move up for him, but I wouldn't give up 12,22, and next year's 1st to move to 6 for him. If they could get to 6 for 12, 53 and 96, I would do that. That isnt bad logic at all. My worry is the glaring holes right now- WR, LB, Center (Groy is serviceable tho), RB, and DL. I am holding out hope that the guy Beane covets is there at 12. The other side of the coin may very well be this staff really likes McCarron and we grab a QB in rd 2 maybe Falk etc..... I guess time will tell my friend and really none of us have any control over this “process”.
smuvtalker Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, kdiggz said: if they don't get one of the top 4 QB's then this is a huge failure by the McBeane admiinstration Have to agree, wholeheartedly. For all of their excellent acquisitions, shrewd trades, addition by subtraction of attitudes and salary cap stranglers, and savvy wheeling and dealing McBeane has done, not getting one of the top 4, IMHO, would really be a colossal failure. I am behind them 1000%, and have yet to find major fault with ANY of the moves this FO has made, including starting Peterman @ San Diego. But there's just no way in tarnation that they haven't made all the freakin moves they have to sit idly by and let Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, and Allen ALL fall off the board. I robustly believe that McBeane has his eyes on that #2 spot, and wouldn't be surprised if we are already sitting in that spot prior to draft night. And if we aren't, I'm confident there's already a package prepared for 2, 3, or 4 depending on the number one pick. Even sitting put and taking Jackson at 12 would severely dampen my spirit. Edited March 25, 2018 by smuvtalker
Solomon Grundy Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 6 hours ago, kdiggz said: if they don't get one of the top 4 QB's then this is a huge failure by the McBeane admiinstration Who's the "top 4"? 6 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Doubt he’s there at 22 Bet again!!
cba fan Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 1 minute ago, the skycap said: Who's the "top 4"? Darnold Rosen Mayfield Allen
Solomon Grundy Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 5 hours ago, jr1 said: I think he'll be gone by 17 or so Exactly!! Arizona, Baltimore or SD will snatch him up in a heartbeat. Dont be surprised if he gets selected before 1 of the "big 4"!! 5 hours ago, section122 said: I think he is one of the top 4. I certainly want him over allen and even darnold as well. Its Mayfield and Rosen then everyone else for me but Jackson is my next favorite. You sir know your football!! I'd take him over all of them personally.
smuvtalker Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 3 hours ago, CNY315 said: I'd take him at 12 unless Mayfield was still available If Mayfield is still available at 12, before Goodell finishes the last name of the 11th player drafted, I would break both legs sprinting to hand in the card and would glide the rest of the way on pure adrenaline 2
Lothar Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I have watched so many games of all these QB's my head hurts. I don't see Beanie or McD picking Jackson so I'm not really worried. He is going to be the player that drops in this draft and will be the guy Kiper talks about after every pick. I would draft Falk, White, Litton, Lauretta and Rudolph over Jackson easily. That article was before last season. I'd have no problem taking him at 12. He won't last till 22. He may need a year of grooming but his upside may be higher than anyone else's in this draft.
GreggTX Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 QB's always go before many expect because they are so important. His accuracy is no better than Tyrod's, but in every other aspect he is superior. I still want (in no particular order) Rosen, Darnold or Mayfield. If we can't get one of them, then I'm OK with Jackson at 22. Arm strength, good and quick decisions and 4.3 speed gives us something to work with, at least. He'd be tough to defend.
Max Fischer Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 2 hours ago, kdiggz said: Same reason Bills didn't go after Drew Brees when he left San Diego or trade up in the draft for Andrew Luck, Carson Wentz, Jameis Winston, etc etc. Everyone knows the stars when they see them so I'm not some swami or fortune teller, but they are scared to pull the trigger for whatever reason. To me it's all about the QB. Josh Rosen is that guy this year. I've been saying it since 2016. They won't. In 5 yrs remember the crazy guy on the Bills forum that told you that and then look at whatever excuse the McBeanes give for not getting him and it will all make sense IMO, this post, and many like it, is littered with false premises. First - "They" are not around anymore. Entirely new front office. The "they" of today at least deserve a chance to prove themselves. Second - Have to say it, it's easy to "call" moves after a few years. So, Iet's just say that's an unprovable assertion. Third - "Because they don't want to be wrong" is again unprovable. No one but the decision makers will really know the reasons behind a choice. Fourth - "Do whatever it takes to get him." Really? Life doesn't work that way because it's not a computer game. What if the Giants want Rosen? What if no amount of trade bait will make them change their mind. What could you possibly do about it? (Except, perhaps, get into a time machine and make the Bills lose 15 games. Though the time machine would help correct all the hindsight picks as well - Super Bowl!) "In 5 yrs remember the crazy guy on the Bills forum that told you that and then look at whatever excuse the McBeanes give for not getting him and it will all make sense" We have no doubt. 1
K D Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 Just now, Max Fischer said: IMO, this post, and many like it, is littered with false premises. First - "They" are not around anymore. Entirely new front office. The "they" of today at least deserve a chance to prove themselves. Second - Have to say it, it's easy to "call" moves after a few years. So, Iet's just say that's an unprovable assertion. Third - "Because they don't want to be wrong" is again unprovable. No one but the decision makers will really know the reasons behind a choice. Fourth - "Do whatever it takes to get him." Really? Life doesn't work that way because it's not a computer game. What if the Giants want Rosen? What if no amount of trade bait will make them change their mind. What could you possibly do about it? (Except, perhaps, get into a time machine and make the Bills lose 15 games. Though the time machine would help correct all the hindsight picks as well - Super Bowl!) "In 5 yrs remember the crazy guy on the Bills forum that told you that and then look at whatever excuse the McBeanes give for not getting him and it will all make sense" We have no doubt. I've been here through all of those past drafts and I will still be here 5 yrs from now when Rosen is a pro bowler.
Max Fischer Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 Just now, kdiggz said: I've been here through all of those past drafts and I will still be here 5 yrs from now when Rosen is a pro bowler. Still would like to know how Bills force Giants to trade down to #12 when they have several players that would be great for their team. No doubt there are countless Giants fans who would go nuts if the Giants made that move but go ahead, dream a little.
sven233 Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 6 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Dont overreach please!!!!! Say no to Tyrod Taylor 2.0 Another lazy poster with that terrible comparison. More awful every time those words are spoken. 1 hour ago, cba fan said: Darnold Rosen Mayfield Allen I like the first 3 on that list. Then there is a LARGE gap.... I would actually like Jackson on the Bills more than Allen. To me, Allen has probably a 80% chance to bust. 2
K D Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Max Fischer said: Still would like to know how Bills force Giants to trade down to #12 when they have several players that would be great for their team. No doubt there are countless Giants fans who would go nuts if the Giants made that move but go ahead, dream a little. They just needed to get to 3 but they were asleep at the wheel. Or maybe scared to make the move like I said. Or maybe they don't like Rosen for whatever reason but those reasons have nothing to do with how he throws a football because I can assure you he is the best in the draft. Sometimes you can overthink these things and let the other stuff get to you. Me, I'd take the best football player every time. Maybe they don't like his injury history. If he gets hurt and is out of the league then so be it. It could happen to anyone at any time imo, even those with no injury history at all. He's worth taking a chance on and he was worth trading to 3 for. If they can't get to 2 then so be it.
Max Fischer Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, kdiggz said: They just needed to get to 3 but they were asleep at the wheel. Or maybe scared to make the move like I said. Or maybe they don't like Rosen for whatever reason but those reasons have nothing to do with how he throws a football because I can assure you he is the best in the draft. Sometimes you can overthink these things and let the other stuff get to you. Me, I'd take the best football player every time. Maybe they don't like his injury history. If he gets hurt and is out of the league then so be it. It could happen to anyone at any time imo, even those with no injury history at all. He's worth taking a chance on and he was worth trading to 3 for. If they can't get to 2 then so be it. OMG. So many what ifs, it's almost as if you can't always control who you want and how they'll turn out. Edited March 25, 2018 by Max Fischer
purple haze Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Bangarang said: Rudolph is very much a project QB I disagree. He's a guy that, to me, is what he is compared to the other prospects. I think he's QB who will be steady depending on talent around him. I don't think he will be a bust or turn into a Hall of Famer. I could be wrong in the end, but that's my impression of him. 4 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: Add in Darnold and Mayfield and yes. Darnold has some project with him. You don't want him playing right away. Mayfield, I want to like more than I do. Love his passion for the game, but there's something that holds me back from buying all the way in.
oldmanfan Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 If you tell me I can get Jackson at 22 and a stud MLB or DT at 12 I take that any day of the week
LeGOATski Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 9 hours ago, aristocrat said: If you think he’s anyth close to Taylor you have never seen him play. So true. He's definitely not as accurate as Taylor.
SoFFacet Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 3 hours ago, cba fan said: Darnold Rosen Mayfield Allen Based on what?
1billsfan Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 20 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: So true. He's definitely not as accurate as Taylor. Taylor thru JR year: 36 Games 20 TD / 15 INT 55 PCT 123 Rating Jackson thru JR year: 38 Games 69 TD / 27 INT 56 PCT 140 Rating There's no comparison of the two. One is (and has always been) a simple "play it safe" game manager…and one who is a franchise QB level play maker. Unlike Taylor, Jackson will have an actual long term NFL franchise QB career.
LeGOATski Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, 1billsfan said: Taylor thru JR year: 36 Games 20 TD / 15 INT 55 PCT 123 Rating Jackson thru JR year: 38 Games 69 TD / 27 INT 56 PCT 140 Rating There's no comparison of the two. One is (and has always been) a simple "play it safe" game manager…and one who is a franchise QB level play maker. Unlike Taylor, Jackson will have an actual long term NFL franchise QB career. No one's arguing he wasn't a prolific scorer and one of the greatest running QBs of all time. It's convenient to leave out Taylor's senior year, which was his best after becoming the true starter, which was only 2 years. Getting back to my point: both rely heavily on their run game, so they're very comparable. Is it even a bad comparison or are Jackson fans just so insecure that they want to ignore it and chastise anyone who doesn't? Taylor is more accurate and relied less on his running ability to score. Taylor's rushTD/passTD ratio: 52% Jackson's: 72% Jackson's also very inconsistent with his footwork, same as Taylor, and is a project, same as Taylor. They're really comparable. It doesn't mean Jackson won't be a successful QB, so don't get so butthurt over this. Picking Jackson at 22 is good value, anyway. If they can grab a star LB, for instance, at 12 and then Jackson at 22, that will be a good first round. 21 minutes ago, 1billsfan said: Edited March 25, 2018 by LeGOATski
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