Again, bills HAVE called up to browns for first overall

[sven233]

1 hour ago, ******* said:

Per Benjamin Albright . There was conflicting reports about this but he is 100 percent positive there have been talks to gage the price 

 

I know where the other reports came from.  Where did Albright say this, though?

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

....McBeane sends up more smoke signals than Geronimo.....too much wampum to move up IMO...........

[BigDingus]

The Browns already have so many damn picks it's insane.

Grabbing a boatload more from the Bills would be ridiculous. There's no way half those guys are making the team already, so piling on even more for THIS draft seems like overkill.

I'd take picks if they were from the 2019 draft, sure. I mean, more picks is always good no matter what draft class it is, but sometimes it's better to gradually build instead of dump you load on ONE class, and hope they all pan out. 

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, kdiggz said:

It's very possible Giants want 12, 22, 53, 65 and next year's 1st. So Beane would be wise to ask Cleveland if they would do that for pick 1 to gauge the market. You never know. It's been rumored that Cleveland has Darnold and Allen rated pretty closely so they might be happy with Allen plus a ton of picks.

Not even sure I would pay that for 1 overall.  If I'm the Bills, I think my limit is 12, 22, 53, 65, and 2019 2nd.

[K D]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Not even sure I would pay that for 1 overall.  If I'm the Bills, I think my limit is 12, 22, 53, 65, and 2019 2nd.

Unfortunately this is the predicament we find ourselves in after Jets moved to 3. Now we only have 2 teams to negotiate with so they set the market

[SouthNYfan]

1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said:

They must want Darnold if this is the case. Reports of their love of Darnold came out in December, well before smokescreen season. 

 

True.

Could also be that they are using the Giants' and Browns' asking prices against each other

 

Beane: "hey, listen, gettleman, the browns want XYZ for the first pick, that's even less than what you told me for #2, so you willing to go lower than them?"

[#34fan]

 

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

 

Wow, where to even begin with this nonsense

 

Oops! -What I meant to say was that two firsts, and two seconds is just a bat-sh_t crazy, bananas, INSANE, Koo-Koo, price to pay for rookie with Darnold's mechanical issues.

 

I watched him for 2 full college seasons... I watched his entire pro-day (which impressed me.) and still say NO.

 

Beane needs to stay put, and grab players with the EXCELLENT picks we have.

[Dr. Who]

3 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

Unfortunately this is the predicament we find ourselves in after Jets moved to 3. Now we only have 2 teams to negotiate with so they set the market

SouthNYfan's answer is something of a counter.  If you can pitch Browns and Giants against one another, perhaps you can lower the cost.

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, Turk71 said:

The Bills may or may not have contacted the Browns. We will have more as this interesting story develops.

 

Honestly, every competent GM would call on all of the other teams with high picks - except the teams in their own division.  It’s due diligence and it means nothing (except that our GM is competent).  They are all gauging the market.

[GreggTX]

Probably just due diligence, but I'd bet they are keeping all options open.

[hondo in seattle]

52 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said:

Why is this such a hot take? 

 

Theyd be dumb not to contact every single team in front of them if nothing more than to gauge interest. 

 

Id do it just to see if I could find out if there are other teams attempting to get in the top five. 

 

Yep.  It's called due diligence.

 

If you're Beane, you want to explore and understand everything: different trade scenarios, the price of moving up, the backgrounds of each player,  and so on.  

 

[OldTimer1960]

1 hour ago, billspro said:

I don't even care what the cost is, if we get Darnold we are going to be in great shape for the next 15 years.

Folks SHOULD care about the cost.  None of Darnold, Rosen or Allen carried their college teams to tremendous success, but yet some expect that to be exactly what they'd do with a middling talented team in Buffalo that gave up the majority of its draft to get one of them.

 

Now, I'm not saying that they might not be good NFL starting QBs, but expecting savior level play is betting on a very long shot.

[hondo in seattle]

4 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

Probably just due diligence, but I'd bet they are keeping all options open.

 

Agreed

[Buffalo Bills Detective]

6 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Folks SHOULD care about the cost.  None of Darnold, Rosen or Allen carried their college teams to tremendous success, but yet some expect that to be exactly what they'd do with a middling talented team in Buffalo that gave up the majority of its draft to get one of them.

 

Now, I'm not saying that they might not be good NFL starting QBs, but expecting savior level play is betting on a very long shot.

SAVE US, MASON RUDOLPH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Throw 80 yard TD passes to Kelvin Benjamin, while either Roquan Smith or Tremaine Edmunds rack up 300 tackles and 100 sacks next year!

[OldTimer1960]

Just now, Buffalo Bills Detective said:

SAVE US, MASON RUDOLPH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Throw 80 yard TD passes to Kelvin Benjamin, while either Roquan Smith or Tremaine Edmunds rack up 300 tackles and 100 sacks next year!

You are either not understanding my point or you don't care to.  Mason Rudolph has nothing to do with whether it would be smart to trade 3 1sts and a couple of 2nds for one of these guys.

 

My comment was simply saying, expect Darnold, Rosen or Allen to be good, but trading that much for good (not great) should at least give you pause.  

[peterpan]

2 hours ago, billspro said:

I don't even care what the cost is, if we get Darnold we are going to be in great shape for the next 15 years.

 

2 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said:

If the Browns are equally split on Allen or Darnold and the Giants for sure aren't going QB, it certainly makes sense to go get your guy, the Browns get the ransom, then can turn around with the Giants and flip 2 and 4 and the Giants still get their same guy.

 

I've seen Giants guys on twitter say the Bills are working hard with the Browns, not the Giants, because the Bills and Giants want the same player (Darnold) so the Giants won't trade the pick unless he's gone.

 

1 hour ago, kdiggz said:

The target at 1 would be Darnold. Problem is I don't think he's any good. Similar style to Alex Smith or Joe Flacco. Game manager who thrives off play action and roll outs. I'm not a fan.

I just don't see anything - anything - that could justify taking Darnold in the top 5-10. Mentally he could start as a rookie, maybe, but physically.. woof.  Other than throwing on the run, he needs to completely re learn every physical aspect of quarterbacking.  Footwork pocket movement his throwing motion.  He is gonna lead the league in sacks and turnovers wherever he goes. 

 

I HAVE- HAVE - to think the Bills and Giants want Rosen.  I could see the browns or Jets liking Allen.  And the Jets taking slippery thirds, but I don't see the Bills moving up for Darnold. 

Edited March 24, 2018 by peterpan

[formerlyofCtown]

2 hours ago, starrymessenger said:

Why wouldnt there be talks? Maybe the Browns would even ask for less than G-Men who knows? 

Don't think its happening though. Browns already have lots of picks. They are taking Sam IMO. Something tells me that if the Bills ever wound up with the pick they would likely do the same. 

They could end up with four picks in the first and enough ammo to trade up into the first several times. 

[26CornerBlitz]

I'm about to call Abigail Ratchford to see if she'd like to go out.  

[Chuck Wagon]

13 minutes ago, peterpan said:

 

 

I just don't see anything - anything - that could justify taking Darnold in the top 5-10. Mentally he could start as a rookie, maybe, but physically.. woof.  Other than throwing on the run, he needs to completely re learn every physical aspect of quarterbacking.  Footwork pocket movement his throwing motion.  He is gonna lead the league in sacks and turnovers wherever he goes. 

 

I HAVE- HAVE - to think the Bills and Giants want Rosen.  I could see the browns or Jets liking Allen.  And the Jets taking slippery thirds, but I don't see the Bills moving up for Darnold. 

 

THAT would certainly add some spice.  If the Bills are set on Rosen (my hope) and the Browns are equally fine with Darnold or Allen.  But as 26 says, you can't bank on your QB being at 4 and watch them go 1, 2, 3.

 

My thought with the Giants is they don't actually want any of the QBs, they either want one of Chubb or Barkley and are playing the Browns on thinking they can take Chubb or Barkley and still get the QB they want at 4.  It's entirely possible the price is prohibitive on us moving up to 2 not because the Giants want the same player or even want QB, but because they have a player they want who'll be long gone by 12.  I've also see rumors the Jets want either Chubb or Barkley, not a QB afterall.  I know the board is QB crazed and couldn't imagine that, but I don't know the Jets could consider either of those guys stay at 6.

[formerlyofCtown]

2 hours ago, Steptide said:

Please beane, do something soon. If I have to read 20 draft/trade threads a day up until the draft my head is gonna explode 

Reading ain't so bad it's getting chastised because of your opinion that gets old as tho other posters are top scouts or something.  None of them will get a reference for a scouting position in the NFL anytime soon.

 

Me included