Big C Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: They still have a full draft this year and are only down 1 future pick. They were in worse position moving forward after the Sammy trade. This deal is a no brainer for us IMO (even though I'm doom and gloom about our prospects in 2019), it's a massive win on the value for the Giants. I think they stay at 2 and they might want even more than this, though this trade basically represents them getting an extra 1st tossed in on "value". If we can get that deal and keep one of those picks I wouldn't mind it. I think it's one pick too many.
xRUSHx Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Big C said: I think too much is made of "our guy." Unless the staff only thinks one of these guys really can be "the guy," they would not trade up and forfeit other long term additions. Everyone wants to point to the Goff and Wentz trades but they are forgetting that there were only 2 consensus guys in that draft. This year there is no consensus and there are more guys out there. I would rather save the picks in an inflated market - at least not move all the way to 2 - than blow all of our good picks on one guy that is marginally better. But I am not doing as intense of scouting as the staff is. If they make that big of a move and pays off, great, but it's also the kind of move that could cost jobs and starting all over. I would think fans would be more forgiving to a staff that went for it over a staff that tried to do what the last few decades have done, build around a backup QB and think it is going to end differently. They all got fired not going for it when it came to QB, play it safe but for a staff that went for it? I would for sure give them a high five and expect them back to clean it up and try again. That's the staff I want, one that will go for it, I am sick of the play it safe staff wishing for a lucky wild card of a season looking for a better QB every dam season. I want a QB to knock NE off the high horse. I want a dynasty and we can't have that without a big talent at QB. Edited March 25, 2018 by xRUSHx
Virgil Posted March 25, 2018 Author Posted March 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Big C said: If we can get that deal and keep one of those picks I wouldn't mind it. I think it's one pick too many. I looked for +250 value, which is what the Colts got and what the Bears gave up last year. Figured that was the status quo
MAJBobby Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Virgil said: I looked for +250 value, which is what the Colts got and what the Bears gave up last year. Figured that was the status quo Yep your right. That package was the correct premium based of past recent trades.
Big C Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, xRUSHx said: I would think fans would be more forgiving to a staff that went for it over a staff that tried to do what the last few decades have done, build around a backup QB and think it is going to end differently. They all got fired not going for it when it came to QB, play it safe but for a staff that went for it? I would for sure give them a high five and expect them back to clean it up and try again. That's the staff I want, one that will go for it, I am sick of the play it safe staff wishing for a lucky wild card of a season looking for a better QB every dam season. I want a QB to knock NE off the high horse. I want a dynasty and we can't have that without a big talent at QB. And yet I look at the list of teams that have won the super bowl this millenium and the only team that won having traded up in the draft for a QB are the Eagles and their backup played the entirety of the playoffs.
Bobby Hooks Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Big C said: And yet I look at the list of teams that have won the super bowl this millenium and the only team that won having traded up in the draft for a QB are the Eagles and their backup played the entirety of the playoffs. Cool story. We drafted Rosen, get over it. 1
xRUSHx Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Big C said: And yet I look at the list of teams that have won the super bowl this millenium and the only team that won having traded up in the draft for a QB are the Eagles and their backup played the entirety of the playoffs. No team is as lucky as NE in finding a QB so late in the draft to take them to all those SBs so those stats are skewed. Bills haven't had a chance at a top QB from the draft in a very long time and sadly the only way up there is to trade up there. I do not care about other teams or any skewed stats to try to change my mind all I care about is how do we get up there to get one. Nothing matters but one of those top 3 IMO. Edited March 25, 2018 by xRUSHx 2
MAJBobby Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, mead107 said: Value points mean crap And yet they mean everything when it comes to figuring out what needs to be given up for trades 5 minutes ago, Big C said: And yet I look at the list of teams that have won the super bowl this millenium and the only team that won having traded up in the draft for a QB are the Eagles and their backup played the entirety of the playoffs. Cool story Bro
Big C Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 1 minute ago, xRUSHx said: No team is as lucky as NE in finding a QB so late in the draft to take them to all those SBs. Bills haven't had a chance at a top QB from the draft in a very long time and sadly the only way up there is to trade up there. I do not care about other teams or any skewed stats to try to change my mind all I care about is how do we get up there to get one. Nothing matters but one of those top 3 IMO. I understand. I am just not sure the Bills truly believe that there is as big a separation between one or two of these guys and the other three. And I also think a trade up up is OK but think that we gave up one too many picks. Keep #65 and throw in our 4th even.
Virgil Posted March 25, 2018 Author Posted March 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Big C said: I understand. I am just not sure the Bills truly believe that there is as big a separation between one or two of these guys and the other three. And I also think a trade up up is OK but think that we gave up one too many picks. Keep #65 and throw in our 4th even. I think after most trades including the team you like involve “one pick too many”
Big C Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Virgil said: I think after most trades including the team you like involve “one pick too many” Heh, that's probably true.
Bag of Milk Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 What a shock! A mock draft on a Bills fans site has the Bills ending up with the QB that most fans want! Who would have thought?
Chuck Wagon Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 11 minutes ago, Virgil said: I think after most trades including the team you like involve “one pick too many” If you already agree to 3 1sts and a 2, the 3rd isn't going to be a sticking point.
xRUSHx Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Big C said: I understand. I am just not sure the Bills truly believe that there is as big a separation between one or two of these guys and the other three. And I also think a trade up up is OK but think that we gave up one too many picks. Keep #65 and throw in our 4th even. Hey man I don't know about you but IMO fans are sick of rice crispys for dinner for the last 2 decades IMO we all want some prime top shelve steak. IMO I do not care what it costs, make it happen cause frankly what was spent made it happen even with it being a little over I was fine with it. Just saying Edited March 25, 2018 by xRUSHx 1
Virgil Posted March 25, 2018 Author Posted March 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bag of Milk said: What a shock! A mock draft on a Bills fans site has the Bills ending up with the QB that most fans want! Who would have thought? That’s honestly the reason I didn’t want to do it. But I think it’s definitely possible and I like that the poll wasn’t lopsided. What pushed me was the reality that I think the Bills know #2 is their only chance. They can’t trust the Jets and Broncos to not take their guy
Bag of Milk Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 Just now, Virgil said: That’s honestly the reason I didn’t want to do it. But I think it’s definitely possible and I like that the poll wasn’t lopsided. What pushed me was the reality that I think the Bills know #2 is their only chance. They can’t trust the Jets and Broncos to not take their guy Not faulting you, but have seen it happen on here for almost 20 years in a row! Fans being fans.
frostbitmic Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: If you already agree to 3 1sts and a 2, the 3rd isn't going to be a sticking point. It didn't just include that, it also cost a starting LT.
MAJBobby Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, frostbitmic said: It didn't just include that, it also cost a starting LT. That hasnt been healthy and on a Massive Contract and from a TM that had a Rookie LT Perform great 1
frostbitmic Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: That hasnt been healthy and on a Massive Contract and from a TM that had a Rookie LT Perform great All true, but still a cost of moving up. I'm sure the Bengals wouldn't have made the trade if they weren't counting on Glenn to be the starting LT and that they've checked his Ankles and feet out thoroughly.
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