Would you trade Leighton Vander Esch, DJ Moore, Rashaad Penny, and Mason Rudolph for Josh Rosen?

[Dr. Who]

12 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I've seen this and I agree that intangibles are even more important than the physical talent.  I think Rudolph has good talent and if he is as smart and hard working as has been suggested, then I think he is being seriously under-estimated.

 

Before flaming away, please recognize that I am not necessarily lobbying to take Rudolph over Darnold, Rosen or Mayfield.  Rather, I don't think it is a bad plan to keep their picks and take Rudolph, Jackson or Allen and then still have 22, 53, 56, 65 and 96 to get other good players (plus all of next yer's picks as well.

Ideally, you can have both talent and intangibles.  I think if you lack arm talent and have the intangibles, you can be an average starter.  Unfortunately, if you have superior talent and lack the qualities that cannot be quantified, you may be a bust.  You have to judge beyond the measurable.  On balance, however, I personally would opt for the fella with the talent.  If you want a franchise qb, there's a threshold of natural talent, below which you just aren't going to have a top 5 qb. 

 

Edited March 24, 2018 by Dr. Who

[Reed83HOF]

14 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said:

Question: If the Bills draft Rudolph at 12, will our wide receivers be running around as wide open as his receivers were at OK State?

Or as our WRs were running wide open with TT?

[Buffalo Bills Detective]

4 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

Or as our WRs were running wide open with TT?

Watch this video and you'll notice that, in many instances, his receivers were running around wide open because they were going up against terrible defensive backs. Rudolph won't have this luxury in the NFL.  He'll need to learn to feel pressure coming from legitimate defensive ends and linebackers and be able to throw through very tight windows.

 

 

[NewEraBills]

12 hours ago, Your Brown Eye said:

Would you trade Cornelius  Bennett, Darryl Talley, Frank Reich and Kenneth Davis for Jim Kelly?

 

 

 

Lock thread. Case closed.

Why would I want to do that when we had all of them and unfortunately still didn't walk away with one SB win?  Look, folks, it takes EVERYTHING and luck to win it all.  All of this either-or thinking is foolishness.  You have a crowd that thinks the QB is JESUS and can work miracles regardless of what's around him and another crowd that thinks having a battle tank (defense) but no working gun is going to get things done.  It takes everything and getting lucky to win.  This is not an either/or matter.

Edited March 24, 2018 by NewEraBills

[thunderingsquid]

9 hours ago, USABuffaloFan said:

Is Brees a franchise QB, Brady, Wilson? These guys were all picked 2-6 round. Favre was a 2 round pick, Rodgers 17th, Kelly 14th. Brad Johnson, Dilfer, Foles, Flacco all won SB's. Bledsoe, Luck, Ryan and a number other 1st pick over all have not, Allot more #2 picks have flopped. A franchise QB is defined by winning over a long period of time, nothing about draft status. More QB's have failed in the 1st round then any other position selected. Failure is out of the league before rookie contract done or expired. Allot more have failed then succeed.

This guy has had concussions, 1 hit and he may never play again in a year, another hit out of the league.

Yep.  More cold feet.

[Mojo44]

34 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said:

Question: If the Bills draft Rudolph at 12, will our wide receivers be running around as wide open as his receivers were at OK State?

No different then Mayfield at Oklahoma. 

[26CornerBlitz]

1 hour ago, Reed83HOF said:

Buffalo Sports Page‏ @buffsportspage 3m3 minutes ago

.@greggabe: I think Mason Rudolph's intangibles are head & shoulders above the other top QBs. He's smart & a good kid. His physical traits are comparable, but the intangibles are what can make a QB great.

 

FYI - intangibles are the number 1 trait Beane looks for in a QB...

 

Also listening to Gabriel on the Buffalo Sports page - he could have started this thread and appears to be in favor of staying put and filling LB, WR and drafting Rudolph.

 

Just putting some info out there...

 

I wonder what "intangibles" Gabriel saw in Manziel that had him singing his praises with such veracity. 

[Reed83HOF]

5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

I wonder what "intangibles" Gabriel saw in Manziel that had him singing his praises with such veracity. 

I hate the word "intangibles". You can either go through progressions or not, you can read a defense or not, you have leadership qualities or not, etc.

31 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said:

Watch this video and you'll notice that, in many instances, his receivers were running around wide open because they were going up against terrible defensive backs. Rudolph won't have this luxury in the NFL.  He'll need to learn to feel pressure coming from legitimate defensive ends and linebackers and be able to throw through very tight windows.

 

 

Not interested in this guy...

[SteveFreeman22]

13 hours ago, Bills of Boston said:

I appreciate the OP don’t get me wrong but putting names to it does NOTHING to change my mind. Look I don’t “know” which qbs will pan out I get that. But theoretically drafting Rudolph just to check the box of drafting a qb is so wildly irrelevant in my opinion. Swing for the fences, now

But you said you don't "know" which qbs will pan out so wouldn't be wiser a qb,lb,wr,rb instead of just a qb  ?

[BigDingus]

I'd trade all of those names in a heartbeat for any of the top 3 QB's.

We've tried the "build a team around a game manager" for 18 years, and it results in failure every time.

Not about to start that crap all over again.

[Reed83HOF]

1 minute ago, BigDingus said:

I'd trade all of those names in a heartbeat for any of the top 3 QB's.

We've tried the "build a team around a game manager" for 18 years, and it results in failure every time.

Not about to start that crap all over again.

Chiefs just moved on from a game manager...

[BigDingus]

Just now, Reed83HOF said:

Chiefs just moved on from a game manager...

 

Yup, smart move on their part.

[FeelingOnYouboty]

I like that the OP think we still won’t have an extra pick in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th?

[MAJBobby]

14 hours ago, The Bills Blog said:

I wouldn't, and I hope Brandon Beane agrees.

 

And this is even a bare minimum of what it would cost to get to #2. Using the chart, #12 (Vander Esch), #22 (Moore), #53 (Rudolph), and #65 (Penny) get you to #2, but because of the Jets trade, you'll probably have to give up significantly more than that. Is Rosen (or your other preferred QB other than Darnold) better than Rudolph to the extent that you're willing to just not have Vander Esch, Moore, Penny, and some other high-impact player?

 

I am firmly in the camp of keeping our picks at this point. The Bills are in position to build a dominant roster. Let McCarron, Rudolph, and Peterman compete.

 

FYI: the available players came from the Fanspeak draft simulator using Matt Miller's board and the difficult algorithm.
 

 

In a freaking heatbeat. 

14 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Would you trade high impact players like Shaq Lawson, Reggie Ragnuts,  Adolphus Washington and Zay Jones for Josh Rosen?

 

 

 

Snap

[Teddy KGB]

2 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

Buffalo Sports Page‏ @buffsportspage 3m3 minutes ago

.@greggabe: I think Mason Rudolph's intangibles are head & shoulders above the other top QBs. He's smart & a good kid. His physical traits are comparable, but the intangibles are what can make a QB great.

 

FYI - intangibles are the number 1 trait Beane looks for in a QB...

 

Also listening to Gabriel on the Buffalo Sports page - he could have started this thread and appears to be in favor of staying put and filling LB, WR and drafting Rudolph.

 

Just putting some info out there...

 

It’s why he ain’t lasting til 53.   

[MAJBobby]

13 hours ago, greeneblitz said:

I would literally take any QB but Rosen, he's a punk and doesn't deserve to be the face of our franchise, he's the least Buffalo guy in the entire draft, I hope we stay far away.

 

I see your mistaking Rosen for Mayfield again

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

14 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

I repeat. When McCarron had AJ Green, Marvin Jones, Mohamed Sanu, and Tyler Eifert in CIN he put up pedestrian numbers.  He's a bridge to the franchise QB.  2018 draft baby!

The Bengals rushed the football a lot, I think they might have had the most rushing attempts in 2015. Whenever a starting QB goes down that team plays more conservative. He did exactly what he was supposed to do as a backup which is keep you W/L at .500 and keep you teams in the games. He brought his team back in that playoff game vs the Steelers which he should've won. 

 

I'm not sure what your expectations were for McCarron in 2015 but I think he did everything that he was asked to do and more. Dalton took most if not all 1st team reps, I think it is very impressive for McCarron to come off the bench and play the way he did. 

 

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

The Bengals rushed the football a lot, I think they might have had the most rushing attempts in 2015. Whenever a starting QB goes down that team plays more conservative. He did exactly what he was supposed to do as a backup which is keep you W/L at .500 and keep you teams in the games. He brought his team back in that playoff game vs the Steelers which he should've won. 

 

I'm not sure what your expectations were for McCarron in 2015 but I think he did everything that he was asked to do and more. Dalton took most if not all 1st team reps, I think it is very impressive for McCarron to come off the bench and play the way he did.

 

Think again and stop the excuses.  Dalton was out with injury and McCarron started 4 consecutive regular season games in addition to 1 playoff game. 

[MAJBobby]

3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Think again and stop the excuses.  Dalton was out with injury and McCarron started 4 consecutive regular season games in addition to 1 playoff game. 

 

And promptly lost to Dalton again in the next camp

[BarleyNY]

14 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

In a FN heartbeat.

Yup