GunnerBill Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) On 3/25/2018 at 3:52 PM, BarleyNY said: McCarron is a substantial downgrade from Taylor. We are going from one of the top 32 QBs in the league - even if he was well into the 20s on that list - to a guy who is not an NFL starter. Expand You may well be right. I have not seen enough of McCarron to have a strong view. I doubt either Tyrod or McCarron are still starting for either team by week 7. Edited March 25, 2018 by GunnerBill
Elite Poster Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 On 3/24/2018 at 3:24 AM, Lfod said: Ok I got you guys on record for saying the Browns are going to have a better record next season than the Bills. I disagree that they will be a better team but I will wait until it plays out before I get my laughs in. I think your just in love with the draft picks they have so I can forgive you. Going from winless to 500 is a leap of faith in my opinion. I'll take the guys that can strip a team for rescource and still make the playoffs over the guys that dump all these high picks into thier team and not win a single game every day 24/7. Those picks they have don't fool me. Expand Our elite QB stable has a combined 5 starts in the NFL.
NastyNateSoldiers Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 On 3/24/2018 at 2:32 AM, Kirby Jackson said: ...the Bills (ducks) I said last year that I would trade rosters and situations with them. In 2 years that will look like a no-brainer. The Browns are better than us now everywhere but the secondary and the backfield. If they draft Barkley that gap closes as well. They have talent. They just happen to be the Browns so... Expand There bks are better other then McCoy we got a bunch of trash at least they have Hyde and Duke.
BarleyNY Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 On 3/25/2018 at 3:56 PM, GunnerBill said: You may well be right. I have not seen enough of McCarron to have a strong view. I doubt either Tyrod or McCarron are still starting for either team by week 7. Expand I don’t know about that. It will largely depend on which QBs those teams draft and how patient they are with them. But it won’t be Taylor or McCarron’s play keeping them on the bench.
NastyNateSoldiers Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 On 3/25/2018 at 3:52 PM, BarleyNY said: McCarron is a substantial downgrade from Taylor. We are going from one of the top 32 QBs in the league - even if he was well into the 20s on that list - to a guy who is not an NFL starter. Expand I beg to differ McCarron doesn't have to be great to be better then Tyrod. Although Tyrod is in a much better situation in Cleveland with all those weapons now .
BarleyNY Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 On 3/25/2018 at 4:03 PM, NastyNateSoldiers said: I beg to differ McCarron doesn't have to be great to be better then Tyrod. Although Tyrod is in a much better situation in Cleveland with all those weapons now . Expand Have you seen McCarron play? I have. Again, we are going from a marginal starter at QB to a guy who shouldn’t be starting in the NFL. On 3/25/2018 at 1:58 PM, Teddy KGB said: Led ? He didn’t lead anything. He led as much as Jordan Mills did. 2,799 yards and 14 tds ? ?????. Browns are a joke, as is Tyrod. Expand I always took exception to posts about Taylor being a leader as there was never any evidence offered to back that up. 1
NastyNateSoldiers Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 On 3/25/2018 at 4:07 PM, BarleyNY said: Have you seen McCarron play? I have. Again, we are going from a marginal starter at QB to a guy who shouldn’t be starting in the NFL. Expand I've seen him play in college and the pros. He's a much better passer then Tyrod. I guess that's not saying much but he plays QB better in my opinion. Tyrod is a gimmickback not a quarterback.
/dev/null Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 On 3/25/2018 at 4:07 PM, BarleyNY said: Have you seen McCarron play? I have. Again, we are going from a marginal starter at QB to a guy who shouldn’t be starting in the NFL. Expand The 2001 Patriots called and wanted to let you know sometimes the guy who never should have been a starter turns out okay.
Royale with Cheese Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 On 3/25/2018 at 3:52 PM, BarleyNY said: McCarron is a substantial downgrade from Taylor. We are going from one of the top 32 QBs in the league - even if he was well into the 20s on that list - to a guy who is not an NFL starter. Expand It’s very early to determine if McCaron is starting quality or not.
26CornerBlitz Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 We need a drinking game for every time somone references the 199th pick in the 2000 draft as a reason for hope that a marginal prospect turns into gold.
BarleyNY Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 On 3/25/2018 at 4:09 PM, NastyNateSoldiers said: I've seen him play in college and the pros. He's a much better passer then Tyrod. I guess that's not saying much but he plays QB better in my opinion. Tyrod is a gimmickback not a quarterback. Expand I do not see an NFL arm on McCarron. I can’t imagine how you do - other than wishful thinking. If other NFL teams thought he had a chance to be anything then one would’ve been happy to pay him large. Instead he signed a 2 year deal at $5M per season with a team in desperate need at QB. On 3/25/2018 at 4:12 PM, /dev/null said: The 2001 Patriots called and wanted to let you know sometimes the guy who never should have been a starter turns out okay. Expand Gosh, you’re right. I totally missed that he’s probably another Tom Brady. Well played.
Threedollabills Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 On 3/24/2018 at 3:10 AM, Kirby Jackson said: So you like McDermott over Jackson and that’s fine. I do too. By the time the draft is over where else do you think that the Bills will be better? Expand THE PROCESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!
Royale with Cheese Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 On 3/25/2018 at 4:18 PM, BarleyNY said: I do not see an NFL arm on McCarron. I can’t imagine how you do - other than wishful thinking. If other NFL teams thought he had a chance to be anything then one would’ve been happy to pay him large. Instead he signed a 2 year deal at $5M per season with a team in desperate need at QB. Gosh, you’re right. I totally missed that he’s probably another Tom Brady. Well played. Expand You called Taylor a marginal starting QB when his first contract with the Bills was 3 years/$3.35 million. He was a back up before coming here. Why are/were you open on Taylor but completely shut the door on McCaron? especially when their situations are basically the same....even down to the late rounds they were drafted in.
/dev/null Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 On 3/25/2018 at 4:17 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: We need a drinking game for every time somone references the 199th pick in the 2000 draft as a reason for hope that a marginal prospect turns into gold. Expand On 3/25/2018 at 4:18 PM, BarleyNY said: Gosh, you’re right. I totally missed that he’s probably another Tom Brady. Well played. Expand Brady isn't the only nobody throw away draft pick project QB to make it as an NFL starter: Kirk Cousins was a 4th round afterthought when the Redskins mortgaged their future for RGIII. RGIII is out of the league and Cousins was the hottest QB Free Agent in years Nick Foles was a 3rd rounder that had been traded and cut and contemplated retirement before accepting a backup job. He is now the reigning Super Bowl MVP Russell Wilson was a 3rd round project QB that has since won a Super Bowl Dak Prescott was a 4th round project QB and is considered one of the up and coming talents Case Keenum was an undrafted nobody 1
BarleyNY Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 On 3/25/2018 at 4:17 PM, Royale with Cheese said: It’s very early to determine if McCaron is starting quality or not. Expand Why exactly is that? Because he’s a Bill? If he was just named starter of the Dolphins we’d all be laughing at them. Thats not to say that I don’t understand the signing. The Bills missed on the other QBs via FA and trade and it was imperative that they have somebody besides Peterman on the roster. He was pretty much all that was left. Fine. But let’s not pretend it’s something more than that.
Royale with Cheese Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 On 3/25/2018 at 4:28 PM, BarleyNY said: Why exactly is that? Because he’s a Bill? If he was just named starter of the Dolphins we’d all be laughing at them. Thats not to say that I don’t understand the signing. The Bills missed on the other QBs via FA and trade and it was imperative that they have somebody besides Peterman on the roster. He was pretty much all that was left. Fine. But let’s not pretend it’s something more than that. Expand I’m just curious if you didn’t like the signing of Taylor in 2015....who you called a marginal starter.
BarleyNY Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 On 3/25/2018 at 4:25 PM, Royale with Cheese said: You called Taylor a marginal starting QB when his first contract with the Bills was 3 years/$3.35 million. He was a back up before coming here. Why are/were you open on Taylor but completely shut the door on McCaron? especially when their situations are basically the same....even down to the late rounds they were drafted in. Expand Because they aren’t the same players and McCarron doesn’t have an NFL caliber arm. I never saw Taylor as more than a marginal starter who could be a short term bridge QB. On 3/25/2018 at 4:30 PM, Royale with Cheese said: I’m just curious if you didn’t like the signing of Taylor in 2015....who you called a marginal starter. Expand I thought it was fine because he was supposed to be a backup QB. If the Bills intent when signing McCarron was for him to be the backup, then that would have been fine with me. But not to be the starter.
Royale with Cheese Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 On 3/25/2018 at 4:33 PM, BarleyNY said: Because they aren’t the same players and McCarron doesn’t have an NFL caliber arm. I never saw Taylor as more than a marginal starter who could be a short term bridge QB. Expand If he didn’t have an NFL caliber arm, he wouldn’t be in the NFL. To argue if his arm strength prohibits him to be a higher level starter, yeah that can be argued. Back up QB’s are a revolving door but yet McCarron has stuck around. I felt the same about Taylor. He’s got deficiencies in his game as well that prevents him from being better....just like McCaron. But McCarons deficiency is just way to much to overcome its seems because I guess arm strength is the most important trait in a QB?
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