TPS Posted March 24, 2018 Posted March 24, 2018 5 hours ago, billsfan11 said: So the Bills sign a older vontae Davis for 10 mil but can’t give Gaines 5 or 6? I like Beane but I’m not sure I understand this indirect trade off Spotrac says $5 mil for Davis. 1
wppete Posted March 24, 2018 Posted March 24, 2018 The browns are stacked. They are going to very good next year. 1
dollars 2 donuts Posted March 24, 2018 Posted March 24, 2018 (edited) Just seeing the pay this morning is brutal news considering my post yesterday. Woods' release later this summer would have covered 3/4th of it. damn shame...damn shame, because it would have been a boon to our D and insulated us if any of the three CB went down. Can you imagine having Gaines, White and Davis for less than what New England pays Gilmore. @TPS Edited March 24, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts
Royale with Cheese Posted March 24, 2018 Posted March 24, 2018 37 minutes ago, wppete said: The browns are stacked. They are going to very good next year. Very good as in playoffs?
IgotBILLStopay Posted March 24, 2018 Posted March 24, 2018 coulda had preston brown and EJG for less than 9 mill - not that brown was great but both these contracts are value deals. Sigh and to think we wont even likely get a comp pick this year. SMH
Doc Posted March 24, 2018 Posted March 24, 2018 7 hours ago, JimKellyTryouts said: I don't get these reactions. I'm sure Beane most definitely offered him a contract with playing time incentives that could have exceeded 4 million at the very least. What probably happened was we signed Davis because Gaines over--valued himself; once we got Vontae, that shut the door on him returning, even if we did offer a contract with at least 4 million. EJ's market was dead silent, so he got a lot less than he wanted, especially likely from what he and his agent were asking from the Bills before negotiations with other teams. Considering it seemed like the Bills moved-on from Gaines even before the FA period opened (by signing Davis), they probably offered Gaines a deal that he and his agent thought was insulting and they told the Bills to F themselves, either directly or indirectly. Then when he hit the market and found offers that were substantially worse, he took the best one he could get, and that was the Browns.
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted March 24, 2018 Posted March 24, 2018 20 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said: The guys running the team have never valued the RB position like that. Barkley's pass catching ability increases his value, but it's also likely they are fine with Hyde / Duke Johnson at RB. Guard is likely the strongest position on their team with Zeitler / Bitonio, so that rules out Nelson. They could be in play for Chubb but might never see him. I think they are a real candidate to trade down. I think they stay at #4 and get either Chubb or Barkely. One of the two is guaranteed to be there. Browns had a lot of draft selections last year and again have a lot this year. I don't see the value in them gaining more picks. They need quality over quantity in this draft.
Doc Posted March 24, 2018 Posted March 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: I think they stay at #4 and get either Chubb or Barkely. One of the two is guaranteed to be there. Browns had a lot of draft selections last year and again have a lot this year. I don't see the value in them gaining more picks. They need quality over quantity in this draft. One thing I was thinking is that if they draft a QB (Darnold), they would be wise to use a 1st rounder on a LT. Fourth overall is too high for McGlinchey so they may be willing to move back.
YoloinOhio Posted March 24, 2018 Posted March 24, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Doc said: Considering it seemed like the Bills moved-on from Gaines even before the FA period opened (by signing Davis), they probably offered Gaines a deal that he and his agent thought was insulting and they told the Bills to F themselves, either directly or indirectly. Then when he hit the market and found offers that were substantially worse, he took the best one he could get, and that was the Browns. I think he just wants to play and the Bills were offering him the slot role. He’s the #1 corner in Cleveland. 8 hours ago, billsfan11 said: So the Bills sign a older vontae Davis for 10 mil but can’t give Gaines 5 or 6? I like Beane but I’m not sure I understand this indirect trade off They signed Vontae Davis for 5 mill 2 hours ago, wppete said: The browns are stacked. They are going to very good next year. They still have one of the worst secondaries in the league. It might be even worse this year than last year unless they get a starting CB in the draft. Should have kept McCourty. Edited March 24, 2018 by YoloinOhio
BillsFan130 Posted March 24, 2018 Posted March 24, 2018 11 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I think he just wants to play and the Bills were offering him the slot role. He’s the #1 corner in Cleveland. They signed Vontae Davis for 5 mill They still have one of the worst secondaries in the league. It might be even worse this year than last year unless they get a starting CB in the draft. Should have kept McCourty. It was 5 mil? Oh I could have sworn I thought it was 10 for some reason 3 hours ago, TPS said: Spotrac says $5 mil for Davis. My bad I thought I read ten. Thanks for clarifying 1
YoloinOhio Posted March 24, 2018 Posted March 24, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: It was 5 mil? Oh I could have sworn I thought it was 10 for some reason My bad I thought I read ten. Thanks for clarifying I think he can make up to 8 with incentives but it’s 5 mill base, 3.5 gtd edit: looked it up and it’s lower Edited March 24, 2018 by YoloinOhio 1
Doc Posted March 24, 2018 Posted March 24, 2018 14 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I think he just wants to play and the Bills were offering him the slot role. He’s the #1 corner in Cleveland. Slot CB is pretty much a starting position these days. Maybe less chance of getting injured as well.
YoloinOhio Posted March 24, 2018 Posted March 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Doc said: Slot CB is pretty much a starting position these days. Maybe less chance of getting injured as well. That’s true, but outside corners make more money. It’s about the next contract. He’s a young guy on a 1 year deal. If he plays well on the outside he will make a lot more on the market next year than if he was the #3 corner in Buffalo
Saxum Posted March 24, 2018 Posted March 24, 2018 23 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: I just don't understand how they could trade down for more picks..they have 4 in the top 35 now, 7 in the top 101, and 12 overall Maybe they will trade down for future picks to keep the picks flowing.
BillsFan2313 Posted March 24, 2018 Posted March 24, 2018 Gaines has played good for like 8 games in his career, thus the reason for a 1 year 4 million contract. Some of you are really really over valuing EJ Gaines.
26CornerBlitz Posted March 24, 2018 Author Posted March 24, 2018 Just now, BillsFan2313 said: Gaines has played good for like 8 games in his career, thus the reason for a 1 year 4 million contract. Some of you are really really over valuing EJ Gaines. The reason for the 1 year prove it deal is his inability to stay in the lineup due to injurty. He's a good player.
HappyDays Posted March 24, 2018 Posted March 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Doc said: One thing I was thinking is that if they draft a QB (Darnold), they would be wise to use a 1st rounder on a LT. Fourth overall is too high for McGlinchey so they may be willing to move back. If I were the Browns I wouldn't bother trading down at all. They have plenty of draft picks already and will have a ton of cap space for the next couple years. They don't need picks anymore, they need blue-chip players. Fitzpatrick or Chubb would be the smart move for them.
MAJBobby Posted March 24, 2018 Posted March 24, 2018 21 hours ago, Steve Billieve said: dead money is still dead money. there's a reason most people didn't think we would be able to trade Darius last year. 100M is still 100M even with your imagination of alot of dead money next year too
Saxum Posted March 24, 2018 Posted March 24, 2018 11 hours ago, JimKellyTryouts said: I don't get these reactions. I'm sure Beane most definitely offered him a contract with playing time incentives that could have exceeded 4 million at the very least. What probably happened was we signed Davis because Gaines over--valued himself; once we got Vontae, that shut the door on him returning, even if we did offer a contract with at least 4 million. EJ's market was dead silent, so he got a lot less than he wanted, especially likely from what he and his agent were asking from the Bills before negotiations with other teams. He like a lot of posters here probably read the predictions he'd get a $8 Million + contract and the window for the Bills closed. He is taking a chance here that he can stay healthy for 1 year and then hope to hit it big in free agency but if you cannot hit it big with the Brown$ I doubt it is possible.
BillsFan2313 Posted March 24, 2018 Posted March 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: The reason for the 1 year prove it deal is his inability to stay in the lineup due to injurty. He's a good player. 1 good year, actually half a year. I believe he was rated one of the worst cbs in the NFL while with the Rams. 15,11 and 11 games of "good player" play would have equaled a more lucrative contract. Injuries might have played a little factor, but only playing good in a handful games did more so IMO.
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