K D Posted March 23, 2018 Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) There are other threads on the topic but this very well may be a monumental day for our franchise so I felt as though it deserved its own thread. Why is this day so important? Today, the draft's most polarizing prospect will be on display at Wyoming's Pro Day: Josh Allen. He has the natural talent that makes scouts and GM's pants tight. He is still very much in the discussion at #1 and a big day today could have huge ramifications for our draft. Pros: Quote Adam SchefterVerified account @AdamSchefter 6h6 hours ago QB guru Jordan Palmer on Wyoming’s Josh Allen: 'I've never seen anybody like him' http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/03/jordan_palmer_on_browns_candid.html As we saw at the combine, Allen has the "wow factor" that really pops in person. He's huge at 6'5" 240 with over 10" hands. To go with that size, he has impressive athleticism that will also be on display. It is believed he will run a 4.6 in the 40 (he ran 4.76 at the combine). When you see him live, you can't help but be impressed. The ball whizzes through the air and there is an audible pop when it hits the receivers hands. He can easily throw 80 yards in the air and we have all seen the video of him throwing it 50 yards from his knees and hitting the goalpost. When you put it all together, it's quite the impressive product. Will it be enough to impress Cleveland at the top of the draft? Cons: On the other side of the discussion, Allen seems to have just as many detractors as he does supporters. He checks all of the boxes of a franchise QB except for when it comes to putting it all together on the field. He has struggled at times with accuracy, decision making, and interceptions. Scouts will tell you that his struggles are a result of not having a supporting cast around him and Allen trying to do too much on his own. Wyoming obviously doesn't get the best of the best when it comes to recruiting. Allen himself was not highly recruited coming out of high school and had to go the Junior College route before landing at Wyoming, his only full-ride D1 offer. But when you draft a player that high, you want to see a good history of success at the position. It's widely believed that accuracy is a big indicator of success at the next level and Allen's career 56% completion percentage leaves a lot to be desired. Typically 60% is the cutoff. There are examples of QB's with poor completion percentage having success in the NFL (Favre, Vick) but the majority flame out. His decision making has also been an issue. For every big play, there seems to be two plays that leave you scratching your head wondering "what the heck was he thinking?" During his junior year, 4% of his passes were intercepted. Lucky for him, he throws the ball so hard that a lot of the int's were dropped. He might not be so lucky at the next level. Draft Ramifications: Despite some of the knocks against him, Josh Allen just looks the part of an NFL franchise QB. He has the prototypical traits that teams, especially cold weather teams, look for. It is believed that Sam Darnold was able to solidify the top spot in the draft with an impressive Pro Day on Wednesday, but a lot of draft analysts say that it's not a done deal and with a big day Josh Allen might still be in that conversation. Allen definitely has the talent to really put on a show today and it will be interesting to see how it goes. Be sure to tune in to NFL Network at 2pm to see for yourself! Let's just imagine a scenario where Josh Allen absolutely blows people away today. Cleveland may decide this kid is far too talented to pass up at 1. With Tyrod at QB, they may feel they have the time to develop Allen and they may decide that the risk is well worth the reward. A decision like that would send shockwaves throughout the entire draft. Now Darnold and Rosen, who many feel are the top two QB's, are pushed down the draft board. With Darnold available at 2, is that enough to entice Beane to go all in and make the deal with the Giants? It would be costly, possibly 3x #1 picks. Or perhaps Rosen is their target and they are now able to get him at pick #4 in a trade with Cleveland. It would still be costly but not nearly as costly as going to #2. That would represent a tremendous value to be able to get the QB that many feel is the best in the draft at pick 4. Or maybe Beane lets it play out and the Broncos pick Mayfield over Rosen and then he is available at 6 and maybe it only costs your 1sts and one of your 2nd's to get him. Or if you are a Mayfield fan, with Rosen sitting there at 5 that might be too attractive for the Broncos to pass up and so Mayfield falls. The possibilities are endless but the fact of the matter is that as Bills fans we should all be rooting for Josh Allen today. If a lot of the mock drafts are to be believed, he very well may be our next QB. At the very least he might be attractive enough to other teams where they decide he is worth the risk and then other more popular options fall to us. Be sure to tune in to NFL Network at 2pm to watch it live. It should be quite the show!!! Edited March 23, 2018 by kdiggz
Wayne Arnold Posted March 23, 2018 Posted March 23, 2018 I can appreciate your enthusiasm but is a Pro Day really that important?
K D Posted March 23, 2018 Author Posted March 23, 2018 Just now, Wayne Arnold said: I can appreciate your enthusiasm but is a Pro Day really that important? it is when it's someone like Josh Allen who has the talent to put on a show. i've never heard the crowd at the combine react at all before and they were oohing and ahhing at his throws. like i said, an impressive enough day today and he might be in the discussion as the first overall pick which would really shake up the draft. at the very least he might generate enough buzz to propel himself up the draft board to teams picking before us and the result will be some of the more popular QB's falling to us. as Bills fans we should be rooting for him today
DFT Posted March 23, 2018 Posted March 23, 2018 I’m sure it will be amazing, as historically similar QBs like Allen tend to put on incredible displays of their natural talent (well-removed from things like pressure and scheming). But it won’t ease any apprehension that I have towards him as an NFL QB. There’s just too many concerns on my end. I hope I’m wrong though, because I want him to be a great QB, but he checks almost ever red flag box I have.
jrober38 Posted March 23, 2018 Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) To Summarize: Pros - Josh Allen is a physical freak Cons - Josh Allen isn't a good football player Reading this report, it's bringing back memories of EJ Manuel and Jake Locker's scouting reports. Physical freaks, who for whatever reason don't perform well on a football field. And some people think this guy should go #1 overall? Complete madness. Edited March 23, 2018 by jrober38 2
Wayne Arnold Posted March 23, 2018 Posted March 23, 2018 1 hour ago, kdiggz said: it is when it's someone like Josh Allen who has the talent to put on a show. i've never heard the crowd at the combine react at all before and they were oohing and ahhing at his throws. like i said, an impressive enough day today and he might be in the discussion as the first overall pick which would really shake up the draft. at the very least he might generate enough buzz to propel himself up the draft board to teams picking before us and the result will be some of the more popular QB's falling to us. as Bills fans we should be rooting for him today Jamarcus Russell also generated oohs and aahs at the combine. 1
K D Posted March 23, 2018 Author Posted March 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said: Jamarcus Russell also generated oohs and aahs at the combine. that's right and he went #1. let's hope Allen generates the same kind of buzz 2
Chuck Wagon Posted March 23, 2018 Posted March 23, 2018 Picking him over Darnold is just sooooo Browns.
K D Posted March 23, 2018 Author Posted March 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Picking him over Darnold is just sooooo Browns. Or so Jets hopefully!
Chuck Wagon Posted March 23, 2018 Posted March 23, 2018 Jordan Palmer has been working with most of the top guys. He was asked if 82 yards was a good over / under on Allen unleashing it. I can just see the Browns doing all this homework, getting to know Darnold's family etc, then watching Allen hit a WR in stride on a 80 yard pass in shorts and throwing all other prep work away.
K D Posted March 23, 2018 Author Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) CollegeFootball 24/7Verified account @NFLDraft 1h1 hour ago More "Josh Allen is the best quarterback in this draft." - NFC executive #SourcesTellUs: http://on.nfl.com/9z2Giz (via @LanceZierlein) 29 replies27 retweets73 likes http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000922730/article/sources-tell-us-exec-says-josh-allen-is-2018-nfl-drafts-top-qb?campaign=tw-cf-sf185329801-sf185329801&sf185329801=1&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral Edited March 23, 2018 by kdiggz
K D Posted March 23, 2018 Author Posted March 23, 2018 Andy BenoitVerified account @Andy_Benoit FollowFollow @Andy_Benoit More #Browns owner Jimmy Haslam is in Laramie, Wyoming watching Josh Allen's pro day. 9:07 AM - 23 Mar 2018 1
MrEpsYtown Posted March 23, 2018 Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said: Jamarcus Russell also generated oohs and aahs at the combine. Russell didn't make it because he was a lazy a hole who got really fat. He was not willing to put in the work. The better comparison is a guy like Kyle Boller, who had ridiculous talent, played on a bad team in college, and was inaccurate. Allen is more talented than Boller, but Boller essentially failed because he stayed inaccurate and had a million injuries. Either way, Allen clearly has a ton of talent and people are banking on his potential at the top of the draft. If Iḿ going down eventually at least I am taking a swing on the guy who is 6-5, 240, with ridiculous upside. I still take Darnold or Rosen first, but Allen is next for me. Edited March 23, 2018 by MrEpsYtown 1 1
Lurker Posted March 23, 2018 Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, kdiggz said: Adam SchefterVerified account @AdamSchefter 6h6 hours ago QB guru Jordan Palmer on Wyoming’s Josh Allen: 'I've never seen anybody like him' http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/03/jordan_palmer_on_browns_candid.html From Palmer's own website, here are other draft prospects he's "helped" in recent years. Quite a stable of future-HOF guys. Doh! http://qbsummit.com/palmer/ "NFL Draft prep has allowed me to train some of the top guys in the past 3 years such as Blake Bortles, Keith Price, Sean Mannion and Christian Hackenberg." Plus this gem: "The [NFL] quarterback rooms I've been in have been filled with names juch as Jason Campbell, Jay Cutler, Blaine Gabbert, Chad Henne, Carson Palmer, EJ Manuel, Josh McCown, Jimmy Clausen and many others." Edited March 23, 2018 by Lurker
jrober38 Posted March 23, 2018 Posted March 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said: Jamarcus Russell also generated oohs and aahs at the combine. And Kyle Boller, and Blaine Gabbert, and Josh Freeman, and Jake Locker, and EJ Manuel, and... you get the picture.
Wayne Arnold Posted March 23, 2018 Posted March 23, 2018 He looks pretty damn accurate in shorts right now. Maybe this guy is the real deal and his Wyoming coaches and teammates just sucked. Hmmm.
thenorthremembers Posted March 23, 2018 Posted March 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: He looks pretty damn accurate in shorts right now. Maybe this guy is the real deal and his Wyoming coaches and teammates just sucked. Hmmm. Hard to tell but to me his workout seems to be slower than the others Ive watched.
K D Posted March 23, 2018 Author Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Hard to tell but to me his workout seems to be slower than the others Ive watched. They mentioned that they are at high altitude there and it may be harder to breathe than it would be at sea level in California. Something to consider I guess Oh my gosh he threw that last one so hard it almost knocked the receiver over. "If that ball was a harpoon that kid would be dead" says Mayock lol Edited March 23, 2018 by kdiggz
NickelCity Posted March 23, 2018 Posted March 23, 2018 If he's accurate all day, perhaps it shows that he's coachable. The question will be: does he revert to poor footwork during games?
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