Breaking: no charges against Zay

[Bing Bong]

1 hour ago, JackKemp said:

The fact that there were no charges means there also were no drugs. My theory is that this was an Ambien caused sleep walk. Thank goodness he was with family that care about him.

that makes sense to me. I've ambien sleepwalked downstairs for snacks. like.. I could have easily fell down the stairs in terrible condition.

1 hour ago, MarkyMannn said:

No he was in a common hallway of the building, so to an extent that is public.  I guess what he did is at best marginally criminal, so the charges are dropped.  However I'm sure civilly he is liable.  If I was him I would pay up the damage at least. 

 

Anyone think he went back and cleaned up his own blood LOL?  In this day and age, no one wants to do that and get exposed to who knows what

Ambien really does cause this kind of behavior. Sleepwalking on that kind of hypnotic is a bizarre experience.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Mike Rodak ESPN Staff Writer 

In a "charge evaluation worksheet" provided by the Los Angeles district attorney's office about why they are not pursuing property damage charges against Bills WR Zay Jones, prosecutors say the apartment complex did not want to press charges against Jones because his family "was cooperative, and had assumed financial responsibility for the damages." A representative for the apartments initially told police there was $20,000 in damages from Jones, who was found "covered in blood" after breaking 30th-floor windows, according to police. However, the apartment complex did not provide an invoice to prosecutors to prove the $20,000 in damages, and there was not surveillance footage available beyond that which prosecutors viewed from TMZ. Therefore, the case was declined.

[stevewin]

One interesting thing  in the "charge evaluation worksheet" is that the TMZ video came from a surveillance camera - not a bystander

 

Also - all it mentions about his state of mind is that he was "agitated" 

[Lfod]

Honestly I was dissapointed in him at first. Not the best way to represent Buffalo Bills. The charges dropped and I am over it. Remember Zay, some where out there some little Bills fan believes in you I think. Don't let that kid down.

Edited March 23, 2018 by Lfod

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, stevewin said:

One interesting thing  in the "charge evaluation worksheet" is that the TMZ video came from a surveillance camera - not a bystander

 

Also - all it mentions about his state of mind is that he was "agitated" 

If you don’t add spice the story won’t sell. 

[Saint Doug]

On 3/22/2018 at 6:29 PM, Ol Dirty B said:

 

You're not a lawyer. I know it's fun just to ask questions and pretend that undercuts all proof, but it's not how it works.

 

It's pretty easy to connect the guy with all the cuts who had to be taken to the hospital is probably the one who smashed the windows on the 30th floor. This is just a rich kid getting off easy, if this was you, or me, or 99% of this society, we are getting charged.

 

You can pretend you know what you're talking about, but you have no clue. This was just an easy plea deal that saved the Sheriffs office money on not prosecuting and having trial costs, he I'm assuming offered to pay for cleaning costs and repairs, and the property probably wants this put behind them asap because this isn't really attractive to their clientele. And most don't want to deal with a trial.

 

But go ahead, ask your questions like you'd make a good lawyer. 

 

So, basically you’re saying I “know nothing”, but somehow you know the facts and that he should certainly be charged with a felony? Lol. 

 

Even an amateur can see there’s reasonable doubt here. Why would a DA take on such a silly case when suddenly everyone’s “I didn’t see nuthin’”. It’s an automatic loss of a case and a waste of resources considering he likely already wrote the hotel a check for their inconvenience. Who knows, he could’ve been drunk, tripped over the coffee table and accidentally fell against the window, breaking it and bloodied his hand. Let the cops go chase real criminals instead of a high naked dude walking around outside his hotel room. 

[Ol Dirty B]

2 hours ago, Saint Doug said:

 

So, basically you’re saying I “know nothing”, but somehow you know the facts and that he should certainly be charged with a felony? Lol. 

 

Even an amateur can see there’s reasonable doubt here. Why would a DA take on such a silly case when suddenly everyone’s “I didn’t see nuthin’”. It’s an automatic loss of a case and a waste of resources considering he likely already wrote the hotel a check for their inconvenience. Who knows, he could’ve been drunk, tripped over the coffee table and accidentally fell against the window, breaking it and bloodied his hand. Let the cops go chase real criminals instead of a high naked dude walking around outside his hotel room. 

 

Except for the police report... and the pictures of the broken window on the public balcony.... I'm sure they didn't get a lot of cooperation from his brother, his brothers girlfriend, and any friends if they had them there. My other posts show we believe the same thing I guess, a deal was worked out.

 

I just didn't play dumb in my post and ask dumb questions. If they actually wanted to charge him, I think they definitely could, even without cooperation of the two witnesses we know about. But whatever, I had this debate already. As I said to the other poster, you said he didn't break any laws, he clearly did.

 

And your fake theory doesn't even work out. If that's the case he would have been arrested and easily charged for public intoxication for spraying blood all over that hallway. A rich kid got let off easy.

 

It's easy to say from a far, but if my neighbor is running around naked, yelling he wants to fight for Jesus, then comes back bloody after getting into something with his brother and trying to jump from your 30th story floor. I'd wonder if you'd consider him a real criminal then? I know I'd have no inclination to want to deal with that. !@#$ that. I don't care what sport he plays. If this wasn't a Bills player most of you wouldn't be making the points you are. ****, if this was Dareus last year, you'd all be losing your minds labelling him a thug and calling for his release.

Edited March 24, 2018 by Ol Dirty B

[Ol Dirty B]

On 3/22/2018 at 10:02 PM, mileena said:

 

There was no evidence.

 

Wrong. No laws were broken.

 

So are you going to defend any of your **** posts or are you just going to act as if you were right the whole time?

 

When you have been nothing but clearly wrong this whole thread.

[Doc]

8 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

Except for the police report... and the pictures of the broken window on the public balcony.... I'm sure they didn't get a lot of cooperation from his brother, his brothers girlfriend, and any friends if they had them there. My other posts show we believe the same thing I guess, a deal was worked out.

 

I just didn't play dumb in my post and ask dumb questions. If they actually wanted to charge him, I think they definitely could, even without cooperation of the two witnesses we know about. But whatever, I had this debate already. As I said to the other poster, you said he didn't break any laws, he clearly did.

 

And your fake theory doesn't even work out. If that's the case he would have been arrested and easily charged for public intoxication for spraying blood all over that hallway. A rich kid got let off easy.

 

It's easy to say from a far, but if my neighbor is running around naked, yelling he wants to fight for Jesus, then comes back bloody after getting into something with his brother and trying to jump from your 30th story floor. I'd wonder if you'd consider him a real criminal then? I know I'd have no inclination to want to deal with that. !@#$ that. I don't care what sport he plays. If this wasn't a Bills player most of you wouldn't be making the points you are. ****, if this was Dareus last year, you'd all be losing your minds labelling him a thug and calling for his release.

 

You missed half the posters in the other thread essentially calling for this. 

 

In any case, you don't need to be rich-rich to get away with this: just able to pay for the damages (and I'm betting they were nowhere near $20,000).  No one wants to waste the money, time and aggravation on something like this when it can get settled with a simple payment. 

[Saint Doug]

12 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Except for the police report... and the pictures of the broken window on the public balcony.... I'm sure they didn't get a lot of cooperation from his brother, his brothers girlfriend, and any friends if they had them there. My other posts show we believe the same thing I guess, a deal was worked out.

 

I just didn't play dumb in my post and ask dumb questions. If they actually wanted to charge him, I think they definitely could, even without cooperation of the two witnesses we know about. But whatever, I had this debate already. As I said to the other poster, you said he didn't break any laws, he clearly did.

 

And your fake theory doesn't even work out. If that's the case he would have been arrested and easily charged for public intoxication for spraying blood all over that hallway. A rich kid got let off easy.

 

It's easy to say from a far, but if my neighbor is running around naked, yelling he wants to fight for Jesus, then comes back bloody after getting into something with his brother and trying to jump from your 30th story floor. I'd wonder if you'd consider him a real criminal then? I know I'd have no inclination to want to deal with that. !@#$ that. I don't care what sport he plays. If this wasn't a Bills player most of you wouldn't be making the points you are. ****, if this was Dareus last year, you'd all be losing your minds labelling him a thug and calling for his release.

Did you read the police report? Or, is that’s dumb question? If so, provide a link to it. 

 

On a scale of of crimes committed by athletes, where 10 is a crime against humanity, this incident comes in around a 1. This was a near victimless crime, only with Zay himself victimizing himself.

 

Dareus had a well-established pattern of having a bad attitude, lack of respect towards his coaches, and multiple run ins with the police. Maybe Zay will follow down this path, but getting high, naked, kicking a window, and wrestling with a brother doesn’t do it for me yet. Nor does it apparently do it for the LAPD. This was likely a normal night for them. 

[boyst]

I've been thinking about this, and if I am the bills I think that I suspend him with pay until he clears some psychological evaluations. I would not want this guy around others on the team until we know he is safe, and this isn't early for him

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

4 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

I've been thinking about this, and if I am the bills I think that I suspend him with pay until he clears some psychological evaluations. I would not want this guy around others on the team until we know he is safe, and this isn't early for him

I’m confident the team is investing.  

[steven50]

On 3/23/2018 at 2:07 AM, Ol Dirty B said:

 

I don't have any experience in this but I have a friend who had something slipped in his drink, and my dad also went through this too. Both, not surprisingly, were out of the country, they both were pretty much passed out and just puking all over from the accounts they got. That reasoning just seems like an excuse to absolve him of any real responsibility.

 

I've done a lot of dumb things. And I will do plenty more. I guess I just feel uncomfortable with a professional athlete running around out of control to the point of harming themselves and causing thousands of dollars of property damage. I only bring up professional athlete in this instance because he would whoop my ass, or your ass, and whoever's ass when he's out of control. He's lucky his brother was there. He was a risk to himself and everyone else.

 

The guy busted open a window on the 30th story of a building, I'm guessing with his bare hands or feet. Do you know how much strength that takes? The guy was out of control.

 

I have a friend who got wasted and just walked down the street in Fredonia seeing if car doors were open. He found one, and it happened to have the keys in it and he started driving it. He was 21, he got a DWI, as he deserved, but arguments like yours make it seem as if Zay did it we should just chalk it up to "boys being boys". 

 

Thankfully, no one was hurt the night he did that. No one was hurt besides Zay when this happened, that doesn't mean you just throw the charges out in my opinion.

 

Your right. We should lock up every college who gets drunk and does something stupid and not only lock up but throw away the key if a young guy is drunk and breaks a window.

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I only bring up professional athlete in this instance because he would whoop my ass, or your ass, and whoever's ass when he's out of control.

Anyone, and I mean ANYONE that is stronger then you and me deserves 20 years in prison for what they MIGHT do. Lets forget about what they did, lets throw them in jail for what MIGHT happen.

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Jones was arrested on suspicion of felony vandalism after an altercation with his brother. A naked Jones was bloodied, and glass doors and windows were broken in the incident on the 30th floor of the building.

 

"Without victim cooperation," the report stated, referring to the building owner, the amount of loss cannot be determined.

 

In addition to not having a cooperative victim and lack of proof establishing the monetary amount of damages, the report stated, California law requires "malice," the intent to do a wrongful act with intent to annoy or injure someone else.

http://buffalonews.com/2018/03/23/l-a-da-office-offers-details-on-dropping-zay-jones-case/

 

 

Apparently California law requires "malice," the intent to do a wrongful act with intent to annoy or injure someone else. So being stupid isn't enough to get you put in jail. Everything else is civil not criminal

 

 

 

Edited March 25, 2018 by steven50

[BobChalmers]

On 3/22/2018 at 8:02 PM, BullBuchanan said:

 

But... why do you sound like a lawyer?

 

Because he's speaking rationally, logically, and calmly?

On 3/23/2018 at 10:11 AM, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

happy for him

THANK YOU. both players could have made a play. My point is Calvin Johnson catches that easy, and doesn't run that dumb route... Look at the play from the beginning, he hits a terrible route. Problem is the WRs on the field were 10% Calvin Johnson at best. I WANT A #1/2 WR OPPOSITE ROCK HANDS BENJAMIN. Plays like this are going to happen to any quarterback. Thing is, Gronk catches Brady's now limp **** passes.

 

 

but nah WRs don't need to make plays like this. QBs don't need WRs right? Pass and catch sets up the W.

 

You're right, if only Tyrod could play with all Hall of Fame receivers, he'd be a decent QB.  

 

Go find a Browns board - there will be plenty of need to make excuses for TT there this fall.

Edited March 26, 2018 by BobChalmers

[Eric Moulds on my A**]

On 3/22/2018 at 6:29 PM, bigduke6 said:

wish him the best,  stay off the synthetics.

If the NFL would jump on board the THC train like half of America has, maybe these issues would become a thing of the past. Food for thought I suppose.

[Alphadawg7]

Has there been any release about whether or not Zay was on "something", smoked "something", drunk, etc?  As in any explanation for naked outburst?  Dont have time to go through this entire thread unfortunately

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

Has there been any release about whether or not Zay was on "something", smoked "something", drunk, etc?  As in any explanation for naked outburst?  Dont have time to go through this entire thread unfortunately

Nothing 

[Alphadawg7]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

Nothing 

Thanks bud

[buffaloboyinATL]

13 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Thanks bud

No, we're not sure if it was bud.