Bills Aren't Necessarily Searching for THE Best QB

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

6 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Because you think so has no relevance to what reality will be.  Clearly???

 

Clearly that’s the concensus at large is what meant. 

 

He’s nearly unanimous as the the top prospect.

 

It’s not my opinion.

 

I don’t belive any of these guys are worth trading up for and I belive bills will have a shot at some decent prospects where they sit. But he is the nearly unanimous top prospect in the class. 

Edited March 22, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Clearly that’s the concensus at large is what meant. 

 

He’s nearly unanimous as the the top prospect.

 

It’s not my opinion. 

I get you now.  I like Rosen myself.  But they each have positives and negatives.  I think a lot of their decision will be based on their interviews vs.  their on field performance

[Tyrod's friend]

4 minutes ago, BadLandsMeanie said:

I wish the draftniks would break down the QB by round results more thoughtfully than they do.

For one example is there any difference between results when a team takes a QB at 1 or 2 or 3 because they paid a kings ransom to get there, and those who just were at the that slot based on their record.

 

I don't think there's enough of a sample to make a conclusion. Really the game changed in 2012 with the rookie cap change, and from where I sit, you're a bit nuts to draw any conclusions about 2 years of football. I mean ... does anyone here know if Watson or Wentz are going to return 100%? Wentz is a violent player and not every big QB gets to play as long as Big Ben. Mahomes hasn't thrown a truly meaningful pass yet.

So you have 2012-2015.  

Call back in 2021 and I think you can make a decision.

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I get you now.  I like Rosen myself.  But they each have positives and negatives.  I think a lot of their decision will be based on their interviews vs.  their on field performance

 

If  Rosen is there at 12, take him (if he passed the personality sniff test to bills brass) AND get white or Rudolph in the third or fourth if still around. 

 

I want ant to see those other picks to get some stars in the d front 7 along with some o line talent and a fast wr

Edited March 22, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[formerlyofCtown]

3 hours ago, jmc12290 said:

Legitimate starters mean guys like Taylor.

 

There's ABSOLUTELY sense in trading up to take which QB you believe has the best chance of franchisedom.  Point blank, period.

System fit as well

[The Wiz]

21 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Plans have to be reassessed when conditions change.  When they traded back last year, They thought that their own(Bills’) pick would be much earlier than it turns out to be (21).  Further, the 2017 NCAA season was played and the Bills’ opinions of the QBs in this class may have changed (for better or worse).

 

There are other teams that have (had in the Jets’ case) that are also desperate to get a QB prospect and that is driving up the price to move up and also locking up the early picks such that it will be hard to find a trade partner early enough to get one of the best prospects.

 

i am virtually sure that their plan was to use their extra picks to move up for a QB, but competition, changing conditions and opinions may preclude them fro being able to execute that plan.

Plans change, sure.  Do you think the bills were trying to be in a better position to draft (higher than 21) or do you think they were trying to win football games or planning on the chiefs to be awful?

 

I get that where they are changes things, along with how the 2017 class ended up, but they have enough in this draft to move to #2 or #1 if they really wanted to.  It's just a matter of how much is being asked for those picks and whether or not they are willing to give up the farm.

 

Even if they valued someone enough to give up futures, that's their choice.  We just have to wait and see and either applaud or call for their heads.

[formerlyofCtown]

3 hours ago, jmc12290 said:

Well, there aren't awards for being wrong.

From that view point it would be worse to give up all those picks and be wrong so lets just not be wrong what ever we do.  If they believe they found a transforming talent go get him.  But don't make it so you can't get the other pieces.  A lot of free agent money next year tho.

3 hours ago, fansince88 said:

My point is we dont know what they plan. All we know is what we know. We know that last year they felt they needed to upgrade from TT. This year we dont know what their plan is except it doesnt include TT.

It did include TT they used him to get 65

[BadLandsMeanie]

15 minutes ago, Tyrod's friend said:

But only, only to take the first QB off the docks. Its too much to pay for a 6' QB that grabs his crotch at #4 or #5. 

Well in light of recent scandals about how so many prominent men have been behaving, I don't think it is so bad because Mayfield was only grabbing his own crotch.

[formerlyofCtown]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

They'll take the guy they really want and not reach for one.  And I doubt they think there are 5 franchise guys in this draft. 

If they did they would have traded for 3.  I think they are evaluating still because the price is really high.  They want to be certain.

[The Wiz]

Just now, formerlyofCtown said:

If they did they would have traded for 3.  I think they are evaluating still because the price is really high.  They want to be certain.

They are probably letting the market cool after the Jets trade for sure.  I think they can make a deal with NYG closer to or on draft day.

[OldTimer1960]

2 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Plans change, sure.  Do you think the bills were trying to be in a better position to draft (higher than 21) or do you think they were trying to win football games or planning on the chiefs to be awful?

 

I get that where they are changes things, along with how the 2017 class ended up, but they have enough in this draft to move to #2 or #1 if they really wanted to.  It's just a matter of how much is being asked for those picks and whether or not they are willing to give up the farm.

 

Even if they valued someone enough to give up futures, that's their choice.  We just have to wait and see and either applaud or call for their heads.

That is not exactly clear.  Nobody knows if the 1st or 2nd pick is for sale.  Why would Cleveland trade pick 1?  They also need a QB prospect and they already have more high draft picks than do the Bills.  As for the Giants, I don’t know why they would not sit tight at 2 and take their successor for Manning.  

[oldmanfan]

9 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

If  Rosen is there at 12, take him (if he passed the personality sniff test to bills brass) AND get white or Rudolph in the third or fourth if still around. 

 

I want ant to see those other picks to get some stars in the d front 7 along with some o line talent and a fast wr

Just a gut feeling, but 5 years from now I think a guy taken day 2or 3, like White, turns out to be the best QB in this class.

[formerlyofCtown]

3 hours ago, jr1 said:

I hope they don't draft a QB for the entertainment on the forum

They have scouts all over this board to gather information. 

1-Because they know there are top scouts that go to high level business meetings.

2-They are really concerned about what we think they should do.  They don't want to get in trouble with the posters on TSW.

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, The Wiz said:

I would have to look but I recall someone on WGR said that the reason they traded back last year when they could have grabbed Mahomes was because they were going to address QB in 2018.  I don't know if it was directly from McBeane or just wgr speculation but they acted like it was a "done deal" that they would be trying to draft their future starting QB.

 

 

Unless of course they meant AJ or it was just making it look like they had a plan but they didn't.  Who knows?

 

There's also the real possibility that they just didn't like either Mahomes or Watson enough to draft one of them at #10.  It's even possible that they may not think any of the QBs in this draft are worth the #12 pick much less trading up further.  As others have said, we don't know how they have the QBs rated, and trading up to #12 might have actually been with the intention to have a shot at somebody like Roquan Smith.

 

1 hour ago, matter2003 said:

 

The reason why everyone has a different favorite is because all of them have flaws and each team has different ideas on which ones they can live with and which ones they can't.

 

5 years from now this will be looked back at as the most over hyped QB class in NFL history

 

2011 was supposed to be the QB draft to rival '83 and '04 ... the best QBs to come out of that draft were Cam Newton, Andy Dalton (2nd round), and Tyrod Taylor (6th round).

 

1 hour ago, papazoid said:

 

or another super class like 1983....elway, Kelly, marino

 

Only in your dreams.  None of the QBs in this class are so good that they stand out among their fellow top QB prospects, much less among all the prospects in the draft.  One or two may turn out to be decent starting NFL QBs but it's doubtful that there's any even 1 HOFer much less 3 among them ... and that's true of all of the QB classes, large or small, except for 1983 and 2004.

 

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

That is not exactly clear.  Nobody knows if the 1st or 2nd pick is for sale.  Why would Cleveland trade pick 1?  They also need a QB prospect and they already have more high draft picks than do the Bills.  As for the Giants, I don’t know why they would not sit tight at 2 and take their successor for Manning.  

Simple they want to win now, and not pick a guy to ride the bench for a season or two

[formerlyofCtown]

2 hours ago, The Wiz said:

I would have to look but I recall someone on WGR said that the reason they traded back last year when they could have grabbed Mahomes was because they were going to address QB in 2018.  I don't know if it was directly from McBeane or just wgr speculation but they acted like it was a "done deal" that they would be trying to draft their future starting QB.

 

 

Unless of course they meant AJ or it was just making it look like they had a plan but they didn't.  Who knows?

Beane wasn't the GM.  From what I read Whaley wanted a QB.  He really liked Trubisky but McD vetoed it.

[The Wiz]

3 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

That is not exactly clear.  Nobody knows if the 1st or 2nd pick is for sale.  Why would Cleveland trade pick 1?  They also need a QB prospect and they already have more high draft picks than do the Bills.  As for the Giants, I don’t know why they would not sit tight at 2 and take their successor for Manning.  

Everything is for sale for the right price.  

 

Cleaveland has pick #4.  They can give up #1 if they don't value the QB's the same as other teams.  They also traded for TT (I'm assuming as a bridge QB but you never know).

 

The Giants could end up with 3-5 extra picks in the first 3 rounds and possibly a pick or 2 next year if the bills decided to throw everything at them.  That's why they wouldn't sit tight at 2. They could basically get a new set of starters for a QB that will probably not even play unless he's lights out. 

 

If Eli is the problem and they don't replace him, they stockpile picks and can throw him under the bus in 2 years while they sit on a top pick next year and have another #1 pick to compliment him if we go that route.

Just now, formerlyofCtown said:

Beane wasn't the GM.  From what I read Whaley wanted a QB.  He really liked Trubisky but McD vetoed it.

It was a comment after the draft, not during or before.  Again, I remember hearing it on the radio and don't know exactly when it happened but it was after Whaley was gone.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

12 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Just a gut feeling, but 5 years from now I think a guy taken day 2or 3, like White, turns out to be the best QB in this class.

 

Certainly wouldn’t be the first time.  When I start listing off the best QBs in the league in my view it takes a bunch drafted later than where the bills are picking. And when I look for championship rings i find 2 out of 8, Ben just barely  at 11

Edited March 23, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[formerlyofCtown]

2 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

I agree with this and I think the only reason for trade talks is if the Browns and Giants don't want Darnold as their #1 guy.  Then and only then it would make some semblance of sense to trade the farm for that elite QB.

 

Darnold at 7.0 which is what they graded Wentz at. All the other QB's grade pretty close with Rosen at 6.1, Allen & Mayfield at 6.0. Jackson at 5.9 and Rudolph at 5.6. Like the 1983 draft, I think we could see six QB's go in the first round. Of all those 83 QBs, #1 Elway, #7 Blackledge, #14 Kelly, #15 Eason, #24 O'Brien, #28, Marino. Only one was a bum, 2 were starters and three were HoFes. 

 

What the difference between this year and past years is that this GM/scouting dept finally knows what they are doing and aren't just grabbing for straws like the team did with JP Losman to fill a need. What the team also needs to do that they failed at in past years is to truly develop a young QB. If they get Darnold I could see starting him day one and all the rest all need time to develop.

 

I wouldn't be unhappy should the team not move up if Darnold is already gone. Then take one of the top four at #12 if one should drop and if not take BPA at #12 and Mason Rudolph at #22. 

 

What's interesting to me is why the Pittsburgh Steelers have so much interest in Rudolph. 

Because he is a good QB.  Better than most give him credit for.

[Reed83HOF]

3 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Beane wasn't the GM.  From what I read Whaley wanted a QB.  He really liked Trubisky but McD vetoed it.

 

http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2018/02/josh_rosen_to_the_buffalo_bills_is_what_ive_heard_repeatedly_says_eric_galko.html

 

"A year ago, the Buffalo Bills were linked to Mitch Trubisky, partially by me. (It was) confirmed many times throughout the process... Doug Whaley (was) their GM at the time in Buffalo. I was told him and part of the front office really liked Trubisky. I think that's well-founded. They were higher on Trubisky than we were, but Trubisky looks pretty good. I think it was a good decision to be aggressive towards him.

 

Although Whaley was on board with getting Trubisky, Galko said head coach Sean McDermott decided to kick the can on adding a quarterback high in the draft.

 

"But when Sean McDermott got there, (he) really won over a lot of that front office, a lot of that ownership group and they believed in McDermott. And McDermott believed in Tyrod Taylor and he said, 'Hey, let's kick the can on drafting a quarterback right now.' They didn't move up for Trubisky. They moved back and the Chiefs go up and get Pat Mahomes and they took Tre'Davious White, which they're definitely happy with, but they passed on basically two quarterback opportunities they had and that's not counting Deshaun Watson either..."

 

But I think they feel they're a quarterback away from being a consistent playoff team and getting back there for many years.