SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 On 3/29/2018 at 5:53 PM, Buffalo716 said: What about the hidden hand with the protruding knife? I never understood that I just saw a “cleaned” up image of the last supper on the TV. Peter is looking at Mary - his left hand on her shoulder and his right arm and hand at a wired angle is holding what looks like a knife with a long loop on the upper side. Every recreation is slightly different On 3/29/2018 at 7:55 PM, Buffalo716 said: But who's hand and knife? That's my point... it doesn't look like it's one of the apostles... it's just there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 On 3/29/2018 at 7:55 PM, Buffalo716 said: But who's hand and knife? That's my point... it doesn't look like it's one of the apostles... it's just there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: I just saw a “cleaned” up image of the last supper on the TV. Peter is looking at Mary - his left hand on her shoulder and his right arm and hand at a wired angle is holding what looks like a knife with a long loop on the upper side. Every recreation is slightly different On those ones it does clearly look like Peter is holding it. on grainier originals it doesn't look as clean and you can't tell if it's Peters hand at an angle also Divinci was known to portray biblical figures as very feminine including John the baptist as well... who was very rugged... Still no absolute proof it's Mary and not a feminine John in the picture no gospels put Mary at the last supper even though Davinci is allowed creative license in his art... he wasn't there obviously but history doesn't put Magdaline there : AFTER DOING SOME STUDYING : i came to the conclusion that Peter is the one holding the knife... with Judas in the foreground knocking over the salt container holding a bag of coins foreshadowing his bribe ( the scene is right after his intentions are made known) Peter is possibly holding the knife foreshadowing his attack on the Roman guard in Gethsemane Edited April 1, 2018 by Buffalo716 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 4 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: 4 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Every recreation is slightly different 33 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: On those ones it does clearly look like Peter is holding it. on grainier originals it doesn't look as clean and you can't tell if it's Peters hand at an angle also Divinci was known to portray biblical figures as very feminine including John the baptist as well... who was very rugged... Still no absolute proof it's Mary and not a feminine John in the picture no gospels put Mary at the last supper even though Davinci is allowed creative license in his art... he wasn't there obviously but history doesn't put Magdaline there My personal favorite rendition of The Last Supper: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 da Vinci's painting is based on Catholic tradition at the time. Extremely improbable there wa anything like that table at the meal. They ate reclined with cushions, and very low tables which held the food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 2 hours ago, /dev/null said: My personal favorite rendition of The Last Supper: Don't know how you can favor anything over this one... 2 hours ago, sherpa said: da Vinci's painting is based on Catholic tradition at the time. Extremely improbable there wa anything like that table at the meal. They ate reclined with cushions, and very low tables which held the food. But I remember a table! #ImplantedMemory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 On 3/28/2018 at 11:17 AM, 100DollarBills said: By the way...this idiocy? You can find antique VWs with the logo on the right going all the way back to 1936. This is not an example of "mind control." It's an example of being a goddamn moron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 25 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Don't know how you can favor anything over this one... because i'm not a self-righteous douche 14 minutes ago, DC Tom said: By the way...this idiocy? You can find antique VWs with the logo on the right going all the way back to 1936. You know who else saw VW logos like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 Notice it? did you miss it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 16 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Notice it? did you miss it? i didn't watch all of it but they have hot women at CERN What are we looking for? Aliens? Repoids? The Deep State? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, /dev/null said: i didn't watch all of it but they have hot women at CERN What are we looking for? Aliens? Repoids? The Deep State? A number of things - one is the number on the left hand corner of the screen in the screen cap of the vid. The other is around 2:30ish - a man in a chair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 20 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: A number of things - one is the number on the left hand corner of the screen in the screen cap of the vid. The other is around 2:30ish - a man in a chair. I'm con CERN d you were looking at the old guy and not the women 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 14 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: I'm con CERN d you were looking at the old guy and not the women The video is from 2014 - and the old guy has signs that are on topic for the OP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: The video is from 2014 - and the old guy has signs that are on topic for the OP. cool, but I'm con CERN d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 It's a fair conCern. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 On 3/30/2018 at 6:37 PM, Deranged Rhino said: I know you addressed the OP (who has been all over in this thread) but I'll answer from my own (fringe) position: I don't (at all) discount the possibility of memories failing me or others. Entirely reasonable and possible, as are brand name / marketing changes for products playing a role - especially for more of the logo related examples of the Mandela effect. Always open to being wrong, because the only thing I KNOW for sure is that I do not know everything. That all said, I am open to a lot more possibilities than most (without a doubt) so I can't immediately dismiss it as false memory. The notion of a multiverse - or the possibility of multiverses - is not impossible from an empirical standpoint. Bleed through (for a lack of a better term) might be possible and might explain any number of paranormal events, including (IMO) some ME stuff. I'm partial to the idea of diverging timelines (a really interesting concept to me) because I write fiction for a living and am a romantic in that way - but I would never state "it's 100% this, I'm right you're all wrong" because it's just not my style. Could easily be a bad memory ... Or, my original timeline (and yours apparently) merged with a new one wherein it's Berenstain for reasons unknown. I spent the weekend pondering this. I won't completely discount this as I have no proof of converging timelines being real or not however.... Again I ask why does it matter? If our reality isn't really reality but it is our reality doesn't that make it reality? Head hurt? Yeah mine too lol Basically if it is timelines converging but none of us know/realize it, why does it matter? It really comes off as "I can't be wrong so let me come up with a completely implausible reason to explain it." I'm human, my memory is completely and totally fallible. I can tell you about an instance of me thinking I went back in time down to a horse and buggy almost running me over. I was really high at the time so instead of believing in time travel I thought maybe I shouldn't overdo it so much . I have a situation where I was riding shotgun and someone clearly said "wake up section122" when I looked around the car to see who said it everyone was sleeping including the driver. I saved us from going off a huge embankment and serious injury/death. From that day forward I have never questioned a higher being or guardian angel if you will. So I get the unexplained side of this discussion but this is a topic that will generate a ton of skepticism especially when OP refuses to admit that there is a possibility that this is all hooey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 26 minutes ago, section122 said: I'm human, my memory is completely and totally fallible. summed up in 9 words I wonder where Déjà vu fits into this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 1 hour ago, section122 said: I spent the weekend pondering this. I won't completely discount this as I have no proof of converging timelines being real or not however.... Again I ask why does it matter? If our reality isn't really reality but it is our reality doesn't that make it reality? Head hurt? Yeah mine too lol Basically if it is timelines converging but none of us know/realize it, why does it matter? It really comes off as "I can't be wrong so let me come up with a completely implausible reason to explain it." I'm human, my memory is completely and totally fallible. I can tell you about an instance of me thinking I went back in time down to a horse and buggy almost running me over. I was really high at the time so instead of believing in time travel I thought maybe I shouldn't overdo it so much . I have a situation where I was riding shotgun and someone clearly said "wake up section122" when I looked around the car to see who said it everyone was sleeping including the driver. I saved us from going off a huge embankment and serious injury/death. From that day forward I have never questioned a higher being or guardian angel if you will. So I get the unexplained side of this discussion but this is a topic that will generate a ton of skepticism especially when OP refuses to admit that there is a possibility that this is all hooey. The question "why does it matter" is totally valid and you raise excellent points. I agree ultimately it doesn't matter, it's only problematic if one spends their life grappling with such esoteric questions that it begins to impact negatively other (more tangible) areas of their lives. That's a line I try to mind as I walk through my own life. By nature I'm inquisitive, by trade I've found pondering or trying to answer such unanswerable questions useful in terms of coming up with material to write about - but ultimately your take is same and reasoned. Love that passenger story though! 58 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: summed up in 9 words I wonder where Déjà vu fits into this? Ive only had deja Vu once - and it was rather jarring. I would imagine it fits into the same sort of category as my take on the ME - but it's not something I've thought much of before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: Ive only had deja Vu once - and it was rather jarring. I would imagine it fits into the same sort of category as my take on the ME - but it's not something I've thought much of before. I used to have deja vu memories a couple times a year but not so much recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: summed up in 9 words I wonder where Déjà vu fits into this? I feel like we've discussed that before. Must be an implanted memory. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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