SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted April 1, 2018 Posted April 1, 2018 On 3/29/2018 at 9:53 PM, Buffalo716 said: What about the hidden hand with the protruding knife? I never understood that Expand I just saw a “cleaned” up image of the last supper on the TV. Peter is looking at Mary - his left hand on her shoulder and his right arm and hand at a wired angle is holding what looks like a knife with a long loop on the upper side. Every recreation is slightly different On 3/29/2018 at 11:55 PM, Buffalo716 said: But who's hand and knife? That's my point... it doesn't look like it's one of the apostles... it's just there Expand Quote
/dev/null Posted April 1, 2018 Posted April 1, 2018 On 3/29/2018 at 11:55 PM, Buffalo716 said: But who's hand and knife? That's my point... it doesn't look like it's one of the apostles... it's just there Expand Quote
Buffalo716 Posted April 1, 2018 Posted April 1, 2018 (edited) On 4/1/2018 at 1:00 PM, ShadyBillsFan said: I just saw a “cleaned” up image of the last supper on the TV. Peter is looking at Mary - his left hand on her shoulder and his right arm and hand at a wired angle is holding what looks like a knife with a long loop on the upper side. Every recreation is slightly different Expand On those ones it does clearly look like Peter is holding it. on grainier originals it doesn't look as clean and you can't tell if it's Peters hand at an angle also Divinci was known to portray biblical figures as very feminine including John the baptist as well... who was very rugged... Still no absolute proof it's Mary and not a feminine John in the picture no gospels put Mary at the last supper even though Davinci is allowed creative license in his art... he wasn't there obviously but history doesn't put Magdaline there : AFTER DOING SOME STUDYING : i came to the conclusion that Peter is the one holding the knife... with Judas in the foreground knocking over the salt container holding a bag of coins foreshadowing his bribe ( the scene is right after his intentions are made known) Peter is possibly holding the knife foreshadowing his attack on the Roman guard in Gethsemane Edited April 1, 2018 by Buffalo716 1 Quote
/dev/null Posted April 1, 2018 Posted April 1, 2018 On 4/1/2018 at 1:00 PM, ShadyBillsFan said: Expand On 4/1/2018 at 1:00 PM, ShadyBillsFan said: Every recreation is slightly different Expand On 4/1/2018 at 4:44 PM, Buffalo716 said: On those ones it does clearly look like Peter is holding it. on grainier originals it doesn't look as clean and you can't tell if it's Peters hand at an angle also Divinci was known to portray biblical figures as very feminine including John the baptist as well... who was very rugged... Still no absolute proof it's Mary and not a feminine John in the picture no gospels put Mary at the last supper even though Davinci is allowed creative license in his art... he wasn't there obviously but history doesn't put Magdaline there Expand My personal favorite rendition of The Last Supper: 2 Quote
sherpa Posted April 1, 2018 Posted April 1, 2018 da Vinci's painting is based on Catholic tradition at the time. Extremely improbable there wa anything like that table at the meal. They ate reclined with cushions, and very low tables which held the food. Quote
DC Tom Posted April 1, 2018 Posted April 1, 2018 On 4/1/2018 at 5:19 PM, /dev/null said: My personal favorite rendition of The Last Supper: Expand Don't know how you can favor anything over this one... On 4/1/2018 at 5:38 PM, sherpa said: da Vinci's painting is based on Catholic tradition at the time. Extremely improbable there wa anything like that table at the meal. They ate reclined with cushions, and very low tables which held the food. Expand But I remember a table! #ImplantedMemory Quote
DC Tom Posted April 1, 2018 Posted April 1, 2018 On 3/28/2018 at 3:17 PM, 100DollarBills said: Expand By the way...this idiocy? You can find antique VWs with the logo on the right going all the way back to 1936. This is not an example of "mind control." It's an example of being a goddamn moron. Quote
/dev/null Posted April 1, 2018 Posted April 1, 2018 On 4/1/2018 at 8:04 PM, DC Tom said: Don't know how you can favor anything over this one... Expand because i'm not a self-righteous douche On 4/1/2018 at 8:15 PM, DC Tom said: By the way...this idiocy? You can find antique VWs with the logo on the right going all the way back to 1936. Expand You know who else saw VW logos like that? Quote
/dev/null Posted April 1, 2018 Posted April 1, 2018 On 4/1/2018 at 8:45 PM, Deranged Rhino said: Notice it? did you miss it? Expand i didn't watch all of it but they have hot women at CERN What are we looking for? Aliens? Repoids? The Deep State? 1 Quote
Deranged Rhino Posted April 1, 2018 Posted April 1, 2018 On 4/1/2018 at 9:02 PM, /dev/null said: i didn't watch all of it but they have hot women at CERN What are we looking for? Aliens? Repoids? The Deep State? Expand A number of things - one is the number on the left hand corner of the screen in the screen cap of the vid. The other is around 2:30ish - a man in a chair. Quote
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 On 4/1/2018 at 9:09 PM, Deranged Rhino said: A number of things - one is the number on the left hand corner of the screen in the screen cap of the vid. The other is around 2:30ish - a man in a chair. Expand I'm con CERN d you were looking at the old guy and not the women 1 Quote
Deranged Rhino Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 On 4/2/2018 at 5:22 PM, ShadyBillsFan said: I'm con CERN d you were looking at the old guy and not the women Expand The video is from 2014 - and the old guy has signs that are on topic for the OP. 1 Quote
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 On 4/2/2018 at 5:37 PM, Deranged Rhino said: The video is from 2014 - and the old guy has signs that are on topic for the OP. Expand cool, but I'm con CERN d Quote
section122 Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 On 3/30/2018 at 10:37 PM, Deranged Rhino said: I know you addressed the OP (who has been all over in this thread) but I'll answer from my own (fringe) position: I don't (at all) discount the possibility of memories failing me or others. Entirely reasonable and possible, as are brand name / marketing changes for products playing a role - especially for more of the logo related examples of the Mandela effect. Always open to being wrong, because the only thing I KNOW for sure is that I do not know everything. That all said, I am open to a lot more possibilities than most (without a doubt) so I can't immediately dismiss it as false memory. The notion of a multiverse - or the possibility of multiverses - is not impossible from an empirical standpoint. Bleed through (for a lack of a better term) might be possible and might explain any number of paranormal events, including (IMO) some ME stuff. I'm partial to the idea of diverging timelines (a really interesting concept to me) because I write fiction for a living and am a romantic in that way - but I would never state "it's 100% this, I'm right you're all wrong" because it's just not my style. Could easily be a bad memory ... Or, my original timeline (and yours apparently) merged with a new one wherein it's Berenstain for reasons unknown. Expand I spent the weekend pondering this. I won't completely discount this as I have no proof of converging timelines being real or not however.... Again I ask why does it matter? If our reality isn't really reality but it is our reality doesn't that make it reality? Head hurt? Yeah mine too lol Basically if it is timelines converging but none of us know/realize it, why does it matter? It really comes off as "I can't be wrong so let me come up with a completely implausible reason to explain it." I'm human, my memory is completely and totally fallible. I can tell you about an instance of me thinking I went back in time down to a horse and buggy almost running me over. I was really high at the time so instead of believing in time travel I thought maybe I shouldn't overdo it so much . I have a situation where I was riding shotgun and someone clearly said "wake up section122" when I looked around the car to see who said it everyone was sleeping including the driver. I saved us from going off a huge embankment and serious injury/death. From that day forward I have never questioned a higher being or guardian angel if you will. So I get the unexplained side of this discussion but this is a topic that will generate a ton of skepticism especially when OP refuses to admit that there is a possibility that this is all hooey. 1 Quote
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 On 4/2/2018 at 7:13 PM, section122 said: I'm human, my memory is completely and totally fallible. Expand summed up in 9 words I wonder where Déjà vu fits into this? 1 Quote
Deranged Rhino Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 On 4/2/2018 at 7:13 PM, section122 said: I spent the weekend pondering this. I won't completely discount this as I have no proof of converging timelines being real or not however.... Again I ask why does it matter? If our reality isn't really reality but it is our reality doesn't that make it reality? Head hurt? Yeah mine too lol Basically if it is timelines converging but none of us know/realize it, why does it matter? It really comes off as "I can't be wrong so let me come up with a completely implausible reason to explain it." I'm human, my memory is completely and totally fallible. I can tell you about an instance of me thinking I went back in time down to a horse and buggy almost running me over. I was really high at the time so instead of believing in time travel I thought maybe I shouldn't overdo it so much . I have a situation where I was riding shotgun and someone clearly said "wake up section122" when I looked around the car to see who said it everyone was sleeping including the driver. I saved us from going off a huge embankment and serious injury/death. From that day forward I have never questioned a higher being or guardian angel if you will. So I get the unexplained side of this discussion but this is a topic that will generate a ton of skepticism especially when OP refuses to admit that there is a possibility that this is all hooey. Expand The question "why does it matter" is totally valid and you raise excellent points. I agree ultimately it doesn't matter, it's only problematic if one spends their life grappling with such esoteric questions that it begins to impact negatively other (more tangible) areas of their lives. That's a line I try to mind as I walk through my own life. By nature I'm inquisitive, by trade I've found pondering or trying to answer such unanswerable questions useful in terms of coming up with material to write about - but ultimately your take is same and reasoned. Love that passenger story though! On 4/2/2018 at 7:41 PM, ShadyBillsFan said: summed up in 9 words I wonder where Déjà vu fits into this? Expand Ive only had deja Vu once - and it was rather jarring. I would imagine it fits into the same sort of category as my take on the ME - but it's not something I've thought much of before. Quote
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 On 4/2/2018 at 8:44 PM, Deranged Rhino said: Ive only had deja Vu once - and it was rather jarring. I would imagine it fits into the same sort of category as my take on the ME - but it's not something I've thought much of before. Expand I used to have deja vu memories a couple times a year but not so much recently. Quote
DC Tom Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 On 4/2/2018 at 7:41 PM, ShadyBillsFan said: summed up in 9 words I wonder where Déjà vu fits into this? Expand I feel like we've discussed that before. Must be an implanted memory. 1 Quote
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