Nihilarian Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 Do some research and if you still don't like him then wait until he plays and then criticize his performance or praise it. If you can't get over some stats of his for only two years of playing then that's your problem. I love the kid and am convinced that Beane, McD also fell in love for obvious reasons aside from the physical standpoint. Allen has such as great work ethic, great temperament, blue-collar type who played in the snow, cold and wind in Wyoming. With no real experienced talent around him, he carried a team to an 8-5 record and won a bowl game. His intangibles are off the charts. I think Josh Allen was their guy from day one and not only did they get the best QB in the draft they also got the best linebacker both in the first round. Beane killed it! Craig Bohl his HC at Wyoming shared an anecdote about Allen in a scrimmage. They had called a play with a pass to the fullback in the flat and instead, Allen threw a 65-yard rope for a TD. His coach said, Josh, what are ya doing? Allen replied "Farve says touchdowns first" joking of course. Bohl went on to say that he loves Allen. loves him, loves him to death. He also said he would see Josh out there playing during a game and would think to himself "oh no" here comes a sack and the next thing he knows its a frozen rope for a TD. 1
Lfod Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 (edited) You still thought Tyrod was going to be on the team this season even after he was benched. That should convince you of something. Edited April 30, 2018 by Lfod 1
transplantbillsfan Posted April 30, 2018 Author Posted April 30, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, ndirish1978 said: Rather than summoning everyone else to run around and convince you, I'd suggest you actually watch him a couple of his games. There is zero doubt in my mind that 70% of the people on this board whining about drafting Allen have watched more than a single highlight or lowlight package of his throws.The truth of the matter is there are maybe 8-10 guys on this board who actually watch tape, the rest of the board just cherry pick their favorite draft analysts and parrot those opinions as if they are things they came up with on their own. Hey bro... try calming down a bit. I'll say this again... you're in luck... I despised the Allen pick when it happened... that's going to bode well for Allen's success. Seriously, we've all established I have terrible taste in QBs, right?I liked Edwards and thought he could have been a legit Franchise QB for waaaaaayyyyy too long... I liked Fitz and thought he could have been our long term answer at QB for waaaaaayyyy too long... I liked Manuel and thought he had a chance to be a legit Franchise QB for waaaaaayyyyy too long... I liked Taylor and thought he could have been a legit Franchise QB for waaaaaayyyyy too long... Well, I seriously loathed this pick the moment Goodell said "Allen" rather than "Rosen." I threw my phone... seriously. Luckily, I have a flip phone and those things are TANKS!!! His tweets that surfaced the night before made me dislike him even more. I saw the Buffalo trade up to #7 and soooOOOOOooooo expected it to be Rosen. It wasn't. I was massively wrong. And here was my reaction the moment it happened I'm using a meme... and I hate memes... that's how much I hated the pick when it happened.(and when I saw the Browns draft Mayfield at #1, I really kinda thought Darnold would fall to #4, so when the Jets drafted him...) Anyway, I have a history of being massively wrong about my overall like of QBs in a Buffalo Bills uniform. I'm already growing to really like Allen because I'm a Bills fan and am purely a fan of my team, secondarily the players on my team, but stuff like this: and this: And the explanation for his tweets. And the Waldman film breakdown HappyDays posted as a thread. And some of the Jordan Palmer and Trent Dilfer discussions about him on the Rich Eisen show Have all been making me feel better about him. I still have my doubts and think he's far from a sure thing. But I believe he stands a much better chance of turning into a Franchise QB than I did Thursday afternoon. But that's also a bit of the homer in me, right? So, take solace. I was super sick about us drafting Allen initially... he's going to be AWESOME for us!!! Let's just all hope I haven't jinxed him 2 hours ago, Lfod said: You still thought Tyrod was going to be on the team this season even after he was benched. That should convince you of something. See above post Edited April 30, 2018 by transplantbillsfan 3
Sweats Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 I just have a feeling that our FO got sucked into the hype machine with Allen......hope I’m wrong and the kid lights it up.
njbuff Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 McDermott has been on Allen the second he took over as the Bills HC in 2017. I'll trust he knows more than any of us combined on this.
BuffaloSol Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 On 3/22/2018 at 4:00 AM, transplantbillsfan said: Seriously. I know that people here really believe in him... why? Plenty of past NFL players have been drafted for physical potential (Ryan Leaf, RG3, Jamarcus Russell, Blaine Gabbert, Blake Bortles, etc) and have simply flamed out. I've never seen a college QB so devoid of college production being propped up this much based off of what I can only believe to be purely physical potential. It's head scratching and infuriating because this guy looks like a project 2nd or 3rd round QB at best, to me. What are people focused on? Throws he can make??? Haven't we had enough of these project QBs that are "balls of clay" for us to mold? There's something I'm missing. What is it? I know there isn't a single QB in the NFL HOF with his forgettable production from a second-rate college football program like Wyoming. Is he supposedly going to break that trend? What the hell... someone explain this to me so I can get behind him sooner rather than later if we draft him... hopefully, we don't. Ryan leaf and Jamarcus Russell were not only drafted because of physical traits, and they flamed out due to work ethic. RG3 was not only picked because of his physical traits, and flamed out due to his injury. Bortles was not some physically gifted stud he didn't ever have elite arm strength not even close to the same player. Gabbert was in a weak qb draft class and played in a spread offense but is the only guy on the list with some comparable traits, he still is not on the same level as Allen when it comes to potential and it's a shame he had to play on all those terrible Jags teams.
transplantbillsfan Posted April 30, 2018 Author Posted April 30, 2018 1 hour ago, BuffaloSol said: Ryan leaf and Jamarcus Russell were not only drafted because of physical traits, and they flamed out due to work ethic. RG3 was not only picked because of his physical traits, and flamed out due to his injury. Bortles was not some physically gifted stud he didn't ever have elite arm strength not even close to the same player. Gabbert was in a weak qb draft class and played in a spread offense but is the only guy on the list with some comparable traits, he still is not on the same level as Allen when it comes to potential and it's a shame he had to play on all those terrible Jags teams. No one's ever been drafted only because of physical traits. You're vastly oversimplifying just because you apparently want to argue.
Spiderweb Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 On 3/22/2018 at 4:00 AM, transplantbillsfan said: Seriously. I know that people here really believe in him... why? Plenty of past NFL players have been drafted for physical potential (Ryan Leaf, RG3, Jamarcus Russell, Blaine Gabbert, Blake Bortles, etc) and have simply flamed out. I've never seen a college QB so devoid of college production being propped up this much based off of what I can only believe to be purely physical potential. It's head scratching and infuriating because this guy looks like a project 2nd or 3rd round QB at best, to me. What are people focused on? Throws he can make??? Haven't we had enough of these project QBs that are "balls of clay" for us to mold? There's something I'm missing. What is it? I know there isn't a single QB in the NFL HOF with his forgettable production from a second-rate college football program like Wyoming. Is he supposedly going to break that trend? What the hell... someone explain this to me so I can get behind him sooner rather than later if we draft him... hopefully, we don't. Why must anyone convince you of anything? Absolutely no one knows how Allen will turn out. We can hope that he'll br great or we can think he'll be bad, but it could take a couple years to find out. Keep in mind a guy named Goff who stunk in 2016 only to play great in 2017. Only time will tell.
Foxx Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 as transplant himself has said, it is a good thing that he doesn't like Allen. this can only mean that we have the best qb, not only in the draft, but quite possibly the league. 1
Iron Maiden Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 30 minutes ago, Foxx said: as transplant himself has said, it is a good thing that he doesn't like Allen. this can only mean that we have the best qb, not only in the draft, but quite possibly the league. I look forward to his many many threads in the future telling us how Allen has no real issues throwing in the short, short middle, middle, long middle ...areas of the filed.......and how we under value our QB every chance we have.....
transplantbillsfan Posted April 30, 2018 Author Posted April 30, 2018 47 minutes ago, Foxx said: as transplant himself has said, it is a good thing that he doesn't like Allen. this can only mean that we have the best qb, not only in the draft, but quite possibly the league. Exactly!!! I'll gladly take it for the team if it means Allen turns into a Franchise QB
Albwan Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 I can try to convince you to go be a fan of cleveland or arizona?
Fadingpain Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 On March 22, 2018 at 4:00 AM, transplantbillsfan said: Seriously. I know that people here really believe in him... why? Plenty of past NFL players have been drafted for physical potential (Ryan Leaf, RG3, Jamarcus Russell, Blaine Gabbert, Blake Bortles, etc) and have simply flamed out. I've never seen a college QB so devoid of college production being propped up this much based off of what I can only believe to be purely physical potential. It's head scratching and infuriating because this guy looks like a project 2nd or 3rd round QB at best, to me. What are people focused on? Throws he can make??? Haven't we had enough of these project QBs that are "balls of clay" for us to mold? There's something I'm missing. What is it? I know there isn't a single QB in the NFL HOF with his forgettable production from a second-rate college football program like Wyoming. Is he supposedly going to break that trend? What the hell... someone explain this to me so I can get behind him sooner rather than later if we draft him... hopefully, we don't. Sadly, you are missing precisely NOTHING. The real gut punch here is not going to be the failure of Allen, but the success of Rosen. We could have had him!
BigBuff423 Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 You watch these videos, and it's nearly impossible to not love the kid as a person. I have my reservations, but I'm hopeful...and I remain resolute in my support of any Rookie coming onto the Bills team (that hasn't committed a crime or done something truly harmful), so I'm going to hope beyond hope that the Bills develop him properly and that he takes the league by storm once they deem him ready. 1
Fadingpain Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 1 minute ago, BigBuff423 said: You watch these videos, and it's nearly impossible to not love the kid as a person. I have my reservations, but I'm hopeful...and I remain resolute in my support of any Rookie coming onto the Bills team (that hasn't committed a crime or done something truly harmful), so I'm going to hope beyond hope that the Bills develop him properly and that he takes the league by storm once they deem him ready. I guess that's not including the racist/white supremacist leanings, am I right?
transplantbillsfan Posted April 30, 2018 Author Posted April 30, 2018 3 hours ago, Spiderweb said: Why must anyone convince you of anything? Absolutely no one knows how Allen will turn out. We can hope that he'll br great or we can think he'll be bad, but it could take a couple years to find out. Keep in mind a guy named Goff who stunk in 2016 only to play great in 2017. Only time will tell. You don't have to convince me of anything. I'm good. And you're welcome. Changed the title just for those of you who haven't caught up to the fact that I no longer need convincing anymore. Thanks, though
BigBuff423 Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 Just now, Fadingpain said: I guess that's not including the racist/white supremacist leanings, am I right? So, basically you're not paying attention?? Did you see the discussion Stephen A. had regarding the Tweets? Did you see how he took ownership for saying / Tweeting dumb, and juvenile things when he was, well...a juvenile? He could have taken the road that fully explained how those Tweets were references to pop culture, but he didn't. He simply said he was "young and dumb", and that's not even the whole story but he didn't make any excuse or justification.....even though he legit could!! So, rose above and took the high road. Second, I don't know how old you are and I'm not asking, but someone like myself, had Facebook and Twitter and Snapchat been around when I was a teenager, holy fricken cow would my life have been a mess! I can honestly tell you I made some seriously terrible mistakes...horrible mistakes, but I learned from them. I'm guessing he did too. Maybe you're the only person to ever live to not have skeletons in their closet....cool Bruh, the monastery is up the hill next to the cross, pack a lunch and take your meds, you'll need them....but for everyone else, we understand what it means to be youthful and selfish. 1 1
meistersinger Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 11 minutes ago, Albwan said: I can try to convince you to go be a fan of cleveland or arizona? I'd like to see a Tom Brady poster in his room. And Sam Darnold and Ryan Tannehill. Why waste his talents rooting for a team outside the division?
jkx2 Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 Jim Kelly's college completion % 56.5 Dan Marino's college completion % 57.6 Somehow as "horrendous" as these two quaterbacks were in college, they turned out to be pretty good pros.
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