billsfan89 Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 18 minutes ago, Fan boy '92 said: This post is simply not accurate. The odds of this being anything other than synthetic Mary Jane are very low. I would say the odds are high that it was something like synthetic weed, but I would also say that it is possible that it could be other drugs or other drugs mixed together. Drugs impact everyone very differently.
PromoTheRobot Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chuck Wagon said: Very likely synthetic marijuana. When it goes right, its the same effect as the actual stuff and it doesn't take 1-2 months to clear out of your system and doesn't show on standard tests. When it goes wrong, this type of stuff happens. That's why you should just stick with the original and still the best, as mother nature intended. Edited March 21, 2018 by PromoTheRobot 1
billsfan89 Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 33 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said: True. He was in California, where you can just go to the store and grab edibles. I've given myself an extremely uncomfortable anxiety/panic attack before by ingesting an entire 150g cookie. Not fun at all. Edibles have a high potential for really adverse effects. ' I think smoking weed is a much better way to consume it from a safety perspective. Yes edibles don't cause you to inhale smoke in your lungs but they also are super easy to miscalculate and go overboard on. Smoking I feel like hits you much sooner and is a more gradual effect also the fact that smoking takes time to do makes it a natural mechanism to help you know when to stop. To each their own I know some people who have a well-regulated tolerance to edibles out in California but I think that as weed become legal in a majority of states now it is up to us to educate everyone about proper use and the dangers of taking the drugs in various forms.
BillsFan4 Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 1 hour ago, kdiggz said: yep, they ban the real "natural" stuff which coincidentally isn't harmful to you yet the loop hole exists where they can take the synthetic stuff that is full of chemicals and has terrible side effects. go figure The NFL needs to just quietly stop testing for MJ and let the players smoke. I'd MUCH rather them be able to use some MJ as opposed to all these crazy ass chemicals cocktails in the synthetic drugs that guys use to not fail a drug test. Its a hell of a lot safer than the damn pain pills they pump these guys full of (and mj can actually help curtail the need for pain pills). Just like recreational drinking is perfectly acceptable (in moderation), occasional mj use should be too. It's actually MUCH safer than recreational drinking anyway. 1
Meazy26 Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 17 minutes ago, 707BillsFan said: They're taking what every other person who has a drug problem is taking. Let's not assume it was drugs. Maybe he had a mental break. It happens all the time. I see it all the time in my line of work. People do weird things, as if they were on drugs. The body is a mysterious thing at times. No way that's a mental breakdown... read the details of the incident again and try to convince yourself that was a mental breakdown.
PromoTheRobot Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 1 minute ago, billsfan89 said: ' I think smoking weed is a much better way to consume it from a safety perspective. Yes edibles don't cause you to inhale smoke in your lungs but they also are super easy to miscalculate and go overboard on. Smoking I feel like hits you much sooner and is a more gradual effect also the fact that smoking takes time to do makes it a natural mechanism to help you know when to stop. To each their own I know some people who have a well-regulated tolerance to edibles out in California but I think that as weed become legal in a majority of states now it is up to us to educate everyone about proper use and the dangers of taking the drugs in various forms. The problem with edibles is that they take so long, sometimes an hour, to kick in fully. So people think they need to eat more, then BLAMMO! However I don't think edibles are what did Zay in.
ddaryl Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 it takes dynamite to get me up too much of everything is just enough
teef Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 if it was synthetic weed, why would he bother? it's my understanding that the league doesn't test you until june-ish, and as long as you're not in the program, they don't test you again all year.
billsfan89 Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said: The problem with edibles is that they take so long, sometimes an hour, to kick in fully. So people think they need to eat more, then BLAMMO! However I don't think edibles are what did Zay in. I think what did Zay in was more than likely synthetic weed but for sure the long lag time to kick in makes people overdo it on edibles. I know someone that it takes 2 hours for edibles to work. But even if someone is smart enough to not take additional amounts and wait there still could be issues with someone doing too much. For example, not everyone knows how many MG's make for a potent amount and sometimes if you make edibles yourself you end up having something that has an unknown amount in it.
BillsFan4 Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Ol Dirty B said: It's banned it just doesn't show up on tests... This isn't a matter of poor policy, it's poor policing. I don't think weed should be illegal, but it is. And I don't think the league should take flak for people trying to circumvent its own, some states, and federal prohibition of it. This falls on the individuals who go to these lengths to get high. The thing is, the manufacturers (usually in china) of these synthetic chemicals are constantly changing the chemical formulations from batch to batch. What happens is the US will ban a chemical substance found in the synthetic drugs, so these manufacturers will tweak the chemical formulation just enough so it isn't considered illegal anymore and they can legally ship it to the USA. Then the US bans the new formulation, the manufacturer tweaks it again, the US bans it again and this process just continues to happen over and over and over... So I don't know if there is a way to make a drug test for these types of synthetic chemicals since they are constantly changing on a batch to batch basis. 1
707BillsFan Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, Meazy26 said: No way that's a mental breakdown... read the details of the incident again and try to convince yourself that was a mental breakdown. I refuse to watch the video or read any more than I have already. I often see things like this daily; drug and mental health...I don't need to see someone else's issues online. We all don't need to armchair QB his problem. Let Zay get the help he needs and see what comes of it.
Charlottebillsfan2 Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 10 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: The NFL needs to just quietly stop testing for MJ and let the players smoke. I'd MUCH rather them be able to use some MJ as opposed to all these crazy ass chemicals cocktails in the synthetic drugs that guys use to not fail a drug test. Its a hell of a lot safer than the damn pain pills they pump these guys full of (and mj can actually help curtail the need for pain pills). Just like recreational drinking is perfectly acceptable (in moderation), occasional mj use should be too. It's actually MUCH safer than recreational drinking anyway. I couldn't agree more. 2
Pirate Angel Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 Hopefully he can put it behind him and mature from it, sometimes being in your early 20s and doing dumb s hit go hand and hand
formerlyofCtown Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 Flakka, next generation bath salts 1 hour ago, TheBrownBear said: Yep. Absolutely looks like a flakka freak out to me. He should be OK. Thankfully, he didn't kill himself or anyone else. that was my immediate suspicion and he is fortunate it didn't end that way. 44 minutes ago, Fan boy '92 said: This post is simply not accurate. The odds of this being anything other than synthetic Mary Jane are very low. No the side effects are consistent with Flakka. The naked part especially, Flakka causes High body temperature.
Formerly Allan in MD Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 If you can draft murderers, what's wrong with freaked out naked guys?
Matt_In_NH Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 Same thing for Chandler Jones. I bet the players know what is not tested for and that is what they take
nedboy7 Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 Mental illness takes on many forms. Sort of like thinking trading up guarantees a frencheyes qb.
BillsVet Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 There's no evidence that it's an illegal substance that led to this behavior. It's possible, but the cause could very well be nothing having to do with drugs. 1
bufrock j Posted March 21, 2018 Author Posted March 21, 2018 1 hour ago, LabattBlue said: This should pop up every time a newbie tries to create a new thread.... my bad just wanted to know what he might have taken to get that messed up
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