Is there a rush to judgement on Peterman?

[suorangefan4]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Not even close to being accurate. and he cannot throw the deep ball even in a clean pocket.

 

 

Did you just really use one throw to support your argument about his deep ball?

 

And name one other game where he didn't look solid when he played. 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, suorangefan4 said:

 

Did you just really use one throw to support your argument about his deep ball?

 

And name one other game where he didn't look solid when he played. 

 

Go look at his deep passing attempts at PIT

[suorangefan4]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

And these same people bashed Tyrod incessantly.?

 

Tyrod was the one who played nearly 59 minutes and was garbage all game.

 

He left Peterman one minute with no timeouts to go half the field. 

 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, suorangefan4 said:

 

Tyrod was the one who played nearly 59 minutes and was garbage all game.

 

He left Peterman one minute with no timeouts to go half the field. 

 

 

And his fumble, intentional grounding and INT was a “pretty solid” minute.

[suorangefan4]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

And his fumble, intentional grounding and INT was a “pretty solid” minute.

 

I love how you keep talking about this "fumble" instead of accurately describing the play. Like being put in on 4th down and 3 and running for the first down and "fumbling" it out of bounds when he was near the sideline.

 

Intentional grounding was his fault and not the offensive line's fault? He's either getting sacked or taking an intentional grounding there.

 

INT should've been pass interference. Ramsey clearly went right through Thompson's back which popped it up into the air so he could intercept it.

 

And thank garbage Tyrod Taylor for giving Peterman such little time which limits what Peterman can do there. He has to work agains the clock against a good defense because TT left him one minute and no timeouts.

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, suorangefan4 said:

 

I love how you keep talking about this "fumble" instead of accurately describing the play. Like being put in on 4th down and 3 and running for the first down and "fumbling" it out of bounds when he was near the sideline.

 

Intentional grounding was his fault and not the offensive line's fault? He's either getting sacked or taking an intentional grounding there.

 

INT should've been pass interference. Ramsey clearly went right through Thompson's back which popped it up into the air so he could intercept it.

 

And thank garbage Tyrod Taylor for giving Peterman such little time which limits what Peterman can do there. He has to work agains the clock against a good defense because TT left him one minute and no timeouts.

So you think it was “pretty solid.” Those are your words, not mine.

 

It’s laughable the excuses that Bills fans will make for this scrub. If they approached it like Zay and said “he was terrible but I’m not ready to give up on him” we’d probably let it be. Instead, we have an excuse for every one of his zillion mistakes. He probably has the most mistakes per snap of any QB ever!! It is always someone else’s fault. It’s okay that he just sucks. 

[CircleTheWagons99]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Which player do you think will have a better career? What percent chance do you think Peterman has of starting for 4 years? It was MAYBE 2% before the Chargers game (based on the history of guys picked there). In the middle of a playoff chase the 2% chance was a stupid decision and cost the OC his job. 

YOU can call TT's career better, in my eyes only because of the paydays will he be seen as the better QB.  Thing is, you only saw Peterman play 2 games, lost one playing like crap, won the next one in a blizzard, but yeah thats enough to pass judgement on him.

 

TT 7 years later, 3 starting, doing the same things wrong but that's fine.......

 

 

[prissythecat]

1 minute ago, CircleTheWagons99 said:

YOU can call TT's career better, in my eyes only because of the paydays will he be seen as the better QB.  Thing is, you only saw Peterman play 2 games, lost one playing like crap, won the next one in a blizzard, but yeah thats enough to pass judgement on him.

 

TT 7 years later, 3 starting, doing the same things wrong but that's fine.......

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure Joe Webb and his package helped win the blizzard game with some clutch throws.

[CircleTheWagons99]

1 hour ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Wow if I could ban you I would.

 

Starting Peterman is essentially watching the world burn. Your the reason that the saying "The most popular guy on a losing team is the back up QB" exists.

 

Tyrod is an NFL caliber QB. Peterman showed he wasn't 

Wow, what a dumb comment.....Ban me for my opinion.

 

Never said Peterman should start, just stated everyone gave up on him after 1 game, but TT  gets 7 years doing the same wrong things.....But keep thinking the way you think, you cant ban me but you can just ignore my comments since they are so disturbing to your Idol.....

 

[suorangefan4]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

So you think it was “pretty solid.” Those are your words, not mine.

 

It’s laughable the excuses that Bills fans will make for this scrub. If they approached it like Zay and said “he was terrible but I’m not ready to give up on him” we’d probably let it be. Instead, we have an excuse for every one of his zillion mistakes. He probably has the most mistakes per snap of any QB ever!! It is always someone else’s fault. It’s okay that he just sucks. 

 

No it's laughable that you're using a game where he's given one minute with no timeouts against a good defense as your arguments.

 

And you describe his "fumble" to fit your narrative when the reality is he ran for a first down on that play when being inserted into the game on 4th and 3. The fumble went out of bounds. The play was a positive yet you're spinning it like a negative.

 

And did Ramsey not go through Thompson's back on that INT? He clearly hit him early. Even without the INT it's highly improbable the Bills score because they were almost out of time thanks to Tyrod.

 

The Chargers game Peterman clearly made some mistakes but if you can't admit after watching every play on the All-22 that his receivers were blanketed and the protection was horrendous then you have no credibility at all. He was set up to fail that game. 

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, CircleTheWagons99 said:

YOU can call TT's career better, in my eyes only because of the paydays will he be seen as the better QB.  Thing is, you only saw Peterman play 2 games, lost one playing like crap, won the next one in a blizzard, but yeah thats enough to pass judgement on him.

 

TT 7 years later, 3 starting, doing the same things wrong but that's fine.......

 

 

I have seen a lot more of Peterman than just his snaps with the Bills. I don’t need to see more. He will be lucky at this point to be on a roster. That’s not a bad thing. He should just be viewed as a fringe roster player and not a serviceable option.

2 minutes ago, prissythecat said:

 

I'm pretty sure Joe Webb and his package helped win the blizzard game with some clutch throws.

Peterman was 5-10 for 50 something yards. Obviously the conditions were tough but that’s the game people are raving about.

[suorangefan4]

5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I have seen a lot more of Peterman than just his snaps with the Bills. I don’t need to see more. He will be lucky at this point to be on a roster. That’s not a bad thing. He should just be viewed as a fringe roster player and not a serviceable option.

Peterman was 5-10 for 50 something yards. Obviously the conditions were tough but that’s the game people are raving about.

 

The receivers dropped 3 passes that him them right in the hands against the Colts. His team did nothing to help him every game he played in. Also one of the "incompletions" was a spike to stop the clock.

 

Every single throw was on the money except one that game.

 

 

Edited March 21, 2018 by suorangefan4

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, suorangefan4 said:

 

No it's laughable that you're using a game where he's given one minute with no timeouts against a good defense as your arguments.

 

And you describe his "fumble" to fit your narrative when the reality is he ran for a first down on that play when being inserted into the game on 4th and 3. The fumble went out of bounds. The play was a positive yet you're spinning it like a negative.

 

And did Ramsey not go through Thompson's back on that INT? He clearly hit him early. Even without the INT it's highly improbable the Bills score because they were almost out of time thanks to Tyrod.

 

The Chargers game Peterman clearly made some mistakes but if you can't admit after watching every play on the All-22 that his receivers were blanketed and the protection was horrendous then you have no credibility at all. He was set up to fail that game. 

I wasn’t unsing the Jags game until you said “he was pretty solid in every game but the Chargers.” Either you thought that he was pretty solid in the Jags game or you weren’t being honest earlier. I’m not the one trying to create a narrative. His stats speak for themselves. He is off to the worst start of any QB ever. You are the one trying to dress that up.

 

The receivers were blanketed and the OL rough all year!! That’s not a check mark for him. Every Bills QB played with that line and those receivers. 

Just now, suorangefan4 said:

 

The receivers dropped 4 passes that him them right in the hands against the Colts. His team did nothing to help him every game he played in. Also one of the "incompletions" was a spike to stop the clock.

 

Every single throw was on the money except one that game.

 

 

Oh good, more excuses for him...

[suorangefan4]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

Oh good, more excuses for him...

 

So it's an excuse when you correctly state that the receivers dropped three passes that hit them right in the hands and another "incompletion" was a spike to stop the clock"?

 

He was excellent against the Colts.

[Kirby Jackson]

I’m going to bow out of this thread as I’ve given my opinion. Feel free to hold out hope for Peterman. I’ll continue to think that he is a scrub. One of us will end up right and one of us will end up wrong. 

Just now, suorangefan4 said:

 

So it's an excuse when you correctly state that the receivers dropped three passes that hit them right in the hands and another "incompletion" was a spike to stop the clock"?

 

He was excellent against the Colts.

They dropped passes all year!! We heard that it was “Tyrod’s fault that the receivers struggled.” Now we are hearing that Peterman was held back by the receivers. So which is it? The answer is that they were all bad. 

[JohnC]

24 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

He trusted his OC to make that call. He ultimately will take the responsibility but the decision wasn’t driven by McDermott (it was accepted by him).

 

Still no no one has given what they like about his play. Again, the guys that have seen and evaluated him the most like him the least. There are a lot of people here saying, “we need to see more.” The guys like GB and Blokes that have thoroughly evaluated him think less of him than those that don’t like him!!  That’s scary to me. 

 

You (nor anyone) still hasn’t answered why he will add more value to the team than Reilly (or whoever is player 53)? Outside of a disaster, Peterman won’t play a snap. The best endorsement people have had so far is “he probably isn’t as bad as he looked.” No one is saying “I think he will be an asset.” The hope is that at some point he can be a backup. Is he more likely to be a serviceable QB at this point than some like Logan Woodside? Not necessarily and there are young guys available like that all of the time. 

No one is claiming that Dennison wasn't the driving force for the replacing of the starter. So I don't understand why you are belaboring the point. McDermott as the HC had the final say. That is an unalterable fact! McDermott is not a fool. He is not prone to doing irrational things. The arguments that Dennison made to the HC were not farfetched arguments that the HC didn't also see. 

 

The Peterman argument you are vociferously making isn't about Peterman. It is the emotional trauma resulting from not accepting that he replaced Taylor. The argument isn't that Peterson is so good because few people are making that claim. It is that a person who you believe to be so bad replaced a qb that you are fond of. 

 

The issue of who is more worthy to be on the roster than Peterman doesn't resonate to me. I simply don't care. I believe Peterman is going to be on the roster as a backup qb, probably the backup to the backup. If he isn't then so be it. I'm not as invested in him as you are trying to make it out to be. 

 

The core of our conflict on Peterman really over Peterman. It's really about TT. That's the source of your energy on this issue. The reality is you and I have an unbridgeable disagreement over Tyrod. My position on him is unlikely to change. It is concrete hardened. He is what he is and it wasn't good enough for me or for the home team that dealt him. You simply had a different view on this issue. 

[26CornerBlitz]

The Bills are contemplating drafting a Franchise QB to finally fill the void that has held the team back since 1996 and were arguing over Nathan FN Peterman.  

 

I'm on to the 2018 draft.  

[Ramza86]

I think hes shown a lot of good things out there...

 

The one glaring weakness is how he handles pressure. I think you saw his worst plays when he was affected by pressure. 

 

Im not gonna be banging the table for peterman to play...but if he has a good camp and shows the coaches something...i wont go crazy if he ever starts.

Edited March 21, 2018 by Ramza86

[LABILLBACKER]

I just have a gut feeling it's too early to turn the page on Nate. We'll leave it up to McD.

[rodneykm]

24 minutes ago, prissythecat said:

I'm pretty sure Joe Webb and his package helped win the blizzard game with some clutch throws.

 

No need to be crude....lol