DFT Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: You can throw the Saints' game in the trash. They simply didn't care up 47-3. I wish he showed up in San Diego instead of LA He was okay against the Colts (5-10 for 57 yards) and he did make a couple of nice throws to Benjamin. Why do you think so? Is that why they are traversing the country to prod, poke, and examine every QB in the 2018 draft while positioning themselves to select one in the 1st round? Yes. Yes it is. You said it yourself.
THEHARDTRUTH Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 If concluding that hes lousy is a rush to judgment then yea.
suorangefan4 Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said: Would you say arm strength is 100% of his issue? To me it seemed the rest of his game looked pretty good but he just didn't get enough on the ball. The same people who say he doesn't have enough arm strength are the same people that never say anything about Deshaun Watson or Lamar Jackson's terrible arm strength. Throwing velocity Nathan Peterman: 53 MPH Deshaun Watson: 49 MPH Lamar Jackson: 49 MPH
Matt_In_NH Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 16 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said: Plenty of anomolies happen in this world. Do you honestly think that he will do that again? Is something that happened once suddenly how the world works? Nate is not any one game, the over reaction is ridiculous. Maybe it is an over reaction but there is nothing positive to play that off on. When he got into the playoff game he started making predictable throws and eventually got picked. Now that was a tough position and picks often happen in that game situation but he just seems way too willing to throw the ball to the wrong place. If he is good, he will get another chance.
26CornerBlitz Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 Just now, suorangefan4 said: The same people who say he doesn't have enough arm strength are the same people that never say anything about Deshaun Watson or Lamar Jackson's terrible arm strength. Throwing velocity Nathan Peterman: 53 MPH Deshaun Watson: 49 MPH Lamar Jackson: 49 MPH Combine ball speeds? Come on man!
suorangefan4 Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Combine ball speeds? Come on man! Ignoring an actual test to determine these things? Come on on man!
DFT Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, suorangefan4 said: The same people who say he doesn't have enough arm strength are the same people that never say anything about Deshaun Watson or Lamar Jackson's terrible arm strength. Throwing velocity Nathan Peterman: 53 MPH Deshaun Watson: 49 MPH Lamar Jackson: 49 MPH I think he’s fine, arm strength wise. But I don’t think he has even close to Jackson’s velocity. I don’t think this is the best representation.
26CornerBlitz Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 Just now, suorangefan4 said: Ignoring an actual test to determine these things? Come on on man! The actual tests are when NFL games are played.
starrymessenger Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 1 minute ago, DFT said: I think he’s fine, arm strength wise. But I don’t think he has even close to Jackson’s velocity. I don’t think this is the best representation. Yeah I really don't understand this velocity thing very well. To me Jackson's tape shows plenty enuf arm strength ( and occasionally even some real arm talent). As for Peterman I'm not yet ready to say he has a noodle arm. Need to see more. This year in TC he needs to show that he is starting to acclimate to nfl gamespeed. If that does'nt happen then yeah he's probably just another 5th round QB so no surprise there.
Herb62 Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 Bills fans will never give him a chance. Trade him and allow him a chance with a new team.
The Tomcat Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 I think Tyrod covered up many of our pocket protecting problems. Our line was not the best setting the pocket and Peterman got pressured from all sides from one of the best pressuring defense after his#1 (and only 1) target got taken out after just a few plays. I am not giving up on him. I actually like him more then most. He needs a stronger arm for sure. Not sure if "Chad Pennington" can play in this NFL on a consistent basis. I don't think Petermans story has been completely written. This next training camp is going to be interesting which is awesome!
DFT Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, starrymessenger said: Yeah I really don't understand this velocity thing very well. To me Jackson's tape shows plenty enuf arm strength ( and occasionally even some real arm talent). As for Peterman I'm not yet ready to say he has a noodle arm. Need to see more. This year in TC he needs to show that he is starting to acclimate to nfl gamespeed. If that does'nt happen then yeah he's probably just another 5th round QB so no surprise there. It’s a very questionable test that scouts have asked to be removed. It’s radar driven and does not account for in-game velocity, which is why “timing” QBs like Goff can show much better than effortless throwers like Jackson. 12 gauge probably has the NFLs strongest arm and he opted out of the drill, entirely. He listed an injury, but this is not an uncommon thing for QBs to hate. It’s just so inaccurate. I wish they would do something similar to the old Pro Bowl (who can throw from their knees best) test. A rhythm passer knows when to swing his hip for addded velocity (Brees, Brady.). An effortless thrower... not so much. True arm strength can only be measured without hip inclusion in my opinion
starrymessenger Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 1 minute ago, DFT said: It’s a very questionable test that scouts have asked to be removed. It’s radar driven and does not account for in-game velocity, which is why “timing” QBs like Goff can show much better than effortless throwers like Jackson. 12 gauge probably has the NFLs strongest arm and he opted out of the drill, entirely. He listed an injury, but this is not an uncommon thing for QBs to hate. It’s just so inaccurate. I wish they would do something similar to the old Pro Bowl (who can throw from their knees best) test. A rhythm passer knows when to swing his hip for addded velocity (Brees, Brady.). An effortless thrower... not so much. True arm strength can only be measured without hip inclusion in my opinion Interesting. Thanks. One of the criticisms I have come across more than once in evaluations of Allen's mechanics is that he does not rotate his hips properly and so actually sacrifices optimal velocity ie its all arm strength. I dont myself see this when he gets to set up and fire from a clean pocket, which is logically where you'd expect to notice it, but it may be true.
HamSandwhich Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 23 minutes ago, mattynh said: Maybe it is an over reaction but there is nothing positive to play that off on. When he got into the playoff game he started making predictable throws and eventually got picked. Now that was a tough position and picks often happen in that game situation but he just seems way too willing to throw the ball to the wrong place. If he is good, he will get another chance. I trust the process.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Sky Diver said: Plenty of QBs who have had illustrious careers have had horrible starts. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000445192/article/troy-aikman-peyton-manning-among-qbs-with-bad-first-starts Sure- I mean this article was right about JFF, so it might be about ... oh wait ?
JohnC Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 31 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’ll give the same answer I said last year with Yates (and he was cut). If you can pick the guy back up of the street (or even a better option) why use the roster spot on him? If you cut Peterman he almost assuredly makes it back to the PS (unless Dennison gets his way again). If he doesn’t, who cares? Cutler, Stanton, Gabbert, Geno, EJ, Cassel, Anderson, Moore, Sanchez and Osweiler all are out there. Some will remain unsigned. If, god forbid, your QB goes out for an extended period would you rather have Peterman or one of those guys as your number 2? They have all had more success than him to date. As far as I'm concerned the Peterman issue is a marginal issue. Why put so much emphasis on such a periphery issue when there are core issues that need to be addressed such as the OL, receiver and LB units. Why so much distaste for a player when the options aren't perceptibly better? (You may disagree with that judgment?) I am not bothered by Peterman's role as a backup or more likely backup to the backup. I think that some of the lingering hostility towards Peterman is a result of his replacement of Taylor as a starter in the Charger game. Some people can't let it go and continue to refer to that debacle as a basis for their view of Peterman. My interpretation from his starting is guided more from Taylor's failures as a qb than to Peterman's assets as a qb. The point is that the volatile Taylor issue has for many people bled into the perception of Peterman. When all is said and done I believe that Peterman will be on the roster when the season starts. He won't have a significant role but he will have a role on this team. That's how I see it and I'm not bothered by it.
DFT Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, starrymessenger said: Interesting. Thanks. One of the criticisms I have come across more than once in evaluations of Allen's mechanics is that he does not rotate his hips properly and so actually sacrifices optimal velocity ie its all arm strength. I dont myself see this when he gets to set up and fire from a clean pocket, which is logically where you'd expect to notice it, but it may be true. Because he has bad hip differentiation, it’s his accuracy that take a hit. He doesn’t drive the ball with anything but his ridiculous shoulder power, which just can’t get it done in the pros. He drove his hip much better at the combine and afterwards, but again, no rush. The knock on a guy that’s always gotten buy from his pure talent, is it’s hard for them to develop beyond what they are accustomed to, when placed into a pressurized situation. It’s instinctgul and becomes cumulative once they start getting hit. Allen is that guy, to me. 1
Kirby Jackson Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 Just now, JohnC said: As far as I'm concerned the Peterman issue is a marginal issue. Why put so much emphasis on such a periphery issue when there are core issues that need to be addressed such as the OL, receiver and LB units. Why so much distaste for a player when the options aren't perceptibly better? (You may disagree with that judgment?) I am not bothered by Peterman's role as a backup or more likely backup to the backup. I think that some of the lingering hostility towards Peterman is a result of his replacement of Taylor as a starter in the Charger game. Some people can't let it go and continue to refer to that debacle as a basis for their view of Peterman. My interpretation from his starting is guided more from Taylor's failures as a qb than to Peterman's assets as a qb. The point is that the volatile Taylor issue has for many people bled into the perception of Peterman. When all is said and done I believe that Peterman will be on the roster when the season starts. He won't have a significant role but he will have a role on this team. That's how I see it and I'm not bothered by it. I said the EXACT same thing about Yates last year (and was right). More than half of the NFL teams only carry 2 QBs. The Bills have Thomas and may bring back Webb. Those guys have each started NFL games at QB. They can finish a game in an emergency (did last year). You can add a more capable player on the street on Monday. Peterman hasn't shown that he belongs on the roster. Better prospects, Garrett Grayson, haven’t made it to year 2 either. I don’t think Peterman is good and so far I am right. If you look back and agree that Peterman was the right option in LA we disagree (and I was right on that too).
CEN-CAL17 Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 Honestly everyone want to move up for Rosen etc, which im all for... But yes, How is Peterman going to look? AJ McCarron may turn out to be pretty dang good, plus we could Draft a Mason Rudolph @ #12, Maybe a plan like that the Bills fill they can win, if you keep all those top 100 picks this year and next and build around whoever..... 1
buffalobloodfloridahome Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 I still think with some work and preparation as well as a new OC which we have some creativity and a lil luck Peterman will probably look fantastic in Preseason similarly to last year and make people wonder if McCarron is any better I see allot of similarities between the two QB's. He showed some potential and had some really bad luck and no time against SD. In the snow game he did the best he could and had allot to do with us winning in the end. Throwing him to the wolves against the Jags with the game on the line and he had to make a play it just didn't work out. The Jury is still out.
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