Mikey152 Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, foreboding said: Wilson 2016 - 64.7% Rating 95.4 2017 - 61.3% Rating: 92.6 Favre 62% Career Brady, is he accurate you think? 63.9% career Skill competition, lol. Yep that is how we should judge superbowl winning QB's No, lets base it on completion percentage...probably the most useless stat a QB can generate. And better yet, lets arbitrarily set a number like 60% as the cutoff then use confirmation bias to establish it as the end-all-be-all of success. Oh, and lets correlate it to accuracy even though it is almost totally independent.
MAJBobby Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Chicken Boo said: Matt Ryan was a sub 60% guy and threw 29 picks in his last 2 seasons at BC. Yep 59.9%. However. Take out his Frosh Year and he is 60.5. He had two seasons over 60. Allen has Zero and much like Stafford there is exception every now and then but not the norm.
jrober38 Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Chicken Boo said: Matt Ryan was a sub 60% guy and threw 29 picks in his last 2 seasons at BC. Again, no one ever questioned Matt Ryan's accuracy. For the 100th time; accuracy and completion percentage aren't the same thing. Reality is that Ryan carried a very mediocre BC team to an 11-3 record his Senior year with a 10th end of year AP Ranking. They punched way above their weight while he was there despite featuring zero NFL talent and competing in the ACC.
buffalobloodfloridahome Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 Allen is a reach at 2 unless they are seeing something I didn't in him. If they are going the he is the next coming of Carson Wentz route. I watched Carson dominate in the lower division didn't see the same player in Allen I think he is too raw. With the right tutor he probably could be great in a few years, how long can we ride McCarron though.
Chuck Wagon Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 16 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: Reverse psychology? If they are reading this, maybe it's time to stop telling them they walk on water.
Dr. Who Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Not for nothing, but whether or not the 60% rule applies really depends upon your definition of "success". For example: Josh McCown was a career 51% passer in college, and all he's done is put together a 16-year career that includes 73 starts, and he's coming off of his best season as a pro--one in which he completed over 67% of his passes for a career-high 7.4 YPA. Obviously we have the Stafford example, but how many folks knew that Russell Wilson completed only 60.7% of his passes in college, and that prior to his senior season at Wisconsin, he was a career 57% passer? Carson Palmer was a career 59% passer at USC Matt Ryan was a career 59.9% passer at Boston College--including 59.3% as a senior So perhaps it's worth re-thinking the idea that (a) below 60% accuracy is some kind of automatic failure threshold, and (b) accuracy cannot be improved from college to the pros. Would you rethink it to the point of trading up to #2 for Allen? (I am not being snarky; genuinely asking.)
MAJBobby Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Not for nothing, but whether or not the 60% rule applies really depends upon your definition of "success". For example: Josh McCown was a career 51% passer in college, and all he's done is put together a 16-year career that includes 73 starts, and he's coming off of his best season as a pro--one in which he completed over 67% of his passes for a career-high 7.4 YPA. Obviously we have the Stafford example, but how many folks knew that Russell Wilson completed only 60.7% of his passes in college, and that prior to his senior season at Wisconsin, he was a career 57% passer? Carson Palmer was a career 59% passer at USC Matt Ryan was a career 59.9% passer at Boston College--including 59.3% as a senior So perhaps it's worth re-thinking the idea that (a) below 60% accuracy is some kind of automatic failure threshold, and (b) accuracy cannot be improved from college to the pros. So Two. Out of how many QBs that have played in Modern NFL? unless you want a 16 year spot starter BU at No 2 overall Edited March 21, 2018 by MAJBobby
Herb62 Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 If you like Mason R you can have him at 21 not 12 and now a WR is a most Zay is in LA central jail
smuvtalker Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said: Plenty of mocks to go around, but Breer is especially plugged in around the league - and he specifically says that he showed the mock to league execs and "didn't get much pushback." The Josh Allen rumors aren't going away and are either part of an elaborate smokescreen, or... https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/03/21/mock-draft-sam-darnold-browns-bills-trade-giants-josh-allen-broncos-trade-browns-baker-mayfield 2. Buffalo (projected trade with N.Y. Giants): Josh Allen, QB, WyomingThe Bills have done a nice job building capital for a bold swing. This is one. Allen’s potential is limitless, and his big frame and arm are made for Buffalo, though he has a ways to go. Anyone got a link.......on how to commit seppuku?
NewEra Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 1 hour ago, NewEraBills said: If I had to "accept" Allen at 12 then I'd be OK so long as we got Vander Esch or Raashan Evans at MLB. But if we give away the capital that it is being reported we will have to give up to move to #2 and select Allen this will be the most disappointing offseason in I don't know when. We would have gone from being on a high of breaking the 17 year curse to THIS. Ughhhhh I’d probably throw up in my mouth if we gave up all that for #2. Seriously doubt the Jets take him over Rosen or Darnold, so why trade ahead of them get him? I don’t get it Albert.
thebandit27 Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Dr. Who said: Would you rethink it to the point of trading up to #2 for Allen? (I am not being snarky; genuinely asking.) I'm a bit of an anomaly among posters here, as I like any of Darnold/Rosen/Allen/Mayfield enough to trade up for them. Just now, MAJBobby said: So Two. Out of how many QBs that have played in Modern NFL? Actually MAJ, that's 3 definite successes, and 4 if you count McCown...and that's not really the point. You stated definitively that it doesn't happen; I'm stating definitively that it does. One of us is correct, and the other needs to re-think things IMO. I'll leave it to you to decide which applies to yourself. 1 minute ago, NewEra said: I’d probably throw up in my mouth if we gave up all that for #2. Seriously doubt the Jets take him over Rosen or Darnold, so why trade ahead of them get him? I don’t get it Albert. FWIW, I am convinced that the #1 pick is going to come down to either Darnold or Allen...it would not surprise me at all if the other one goes #3 to NYJ 2
JohnC Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Dr. Who said: Would you rethink it to the point of trading up to #2 for Allen? (I am not being snarky; genuinely asking.) If you were drafting in the #2 spot and had the choice between Rosen and Allen I would take Rosen. If you were drafting in the top ten and the choice was between Allen or Mayfield I believe that Beane would select Allen because he fits Beane's physical profile better. At the three spot if Rosen and Darnold were both off the board I believe that the Jets would take Allen over Mayfield. The decision that GMs are going to make is based on how they project a qb down the line. That's why a number of organizations would prefer a qb such as Allen. I would prefer Mayfield over Allen but wouldn't be overly upset if Allen was selected by us. 1
foreboding Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Mikey152 said: No, lets base it on completion percentage...probably the most useless stat a QB can generate. And better yet, lets arbitrarily set a number like 60% as the cutoff then use confirmation bias to establish it as the end-all-be-all of success. Oh, and lets correlate it to accuracy even though it is almost totally independent. hahahaha. This whole discussion is about completion percentage... It is the basis for his accuracy concerns. Now you clearly do not ascribe to the possibility that there is a correlation between the number of passes you complete out of 100 attempts. So I guess this is all about eyeballs and opinion. Edited March 21, 2018 by foreboding
CommonCents Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 12 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Not for nothing, but whether or not the 60% rule applies really depends upon your definition of "success". For example: Josh McCown was a career 51% passer in college, and all he's done is put together a 16-year career that includes 73 starts, and he's coming off of his best season as a pro--one in which he completed over 67% of his passes for a career-high 7.4 YPA. Obviously we have the Stafford example, but how many folks knew that Russell Wilson completed only 60.7% of his passes in college, and that prior to his senior season at Wisconsin, he was a career 57% passer? Carson Palmer was a career 59% passer at USC Matt Ryan was a career 59.9% passer at Boston College--including 59.3% as a senior So perhaps it's worth re-thinking the idea that (a) below 60% accuracy is some kind of automatic failure threshold, and (b) accuracy cannot be improved from college to the pros. Interesting examples, if I knew the guy I was getting at two was a Ryan or Palmer clone I might be reluctant to part with the picks.
NewEra Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I'm a bit of an anomaly among posters here, as I like any of Darnold/Rosen/Allen/Mayfield enough to trade up for them. Actually MAJ, that's 3 definite successes, and 4 if you count McCown...and that's not really the point. You stated definitively that it doesn't happen; I'm stating definitively that it does. One of us is correct, and the other needs to re-think things IMO. I'll leave it to you to decide which applies to yourself. FWIW, I am convinced that the #1 pick is going to come down to either Darnold or Allen...it would not surprise me at all if the other one goes #3 to NYJ Interesting. You think every team is that scared of Rosen due to potential attitude problems/injuries? I’d be shocked if they passed on Rosen for Allen (and extremely excited]. I could see it over Baker. Just stand Allen and Mayfield side by side and it’s hard to blame them. Can’t wait to see how this all transpires
foreboding Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Commonsense said: Interesting examples, if I knew the guy I was getting at two was a Ryan or Palmer clone I might be reluctant to part with the picks. Agreed. The guy clearly has a high ceiling, there is no way to know if he will get more accurate as a pro, where despite others protestations here, efficiency does matter.
Like A Mofo Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 Josh Allen has the size, mobility and arm strength to be a QB in Buffalo. I am not familiar with how he is mentally or as a leader, that is the key. Sure, Allen would be a work in progress, but remember this is a PROCESS. It takes time. On the surface, I would like to see Josh Allen with Buffalo. I think the accuracy can improve over time. No matter who Beane selects, it is a roll of the dice, at pick #1, #2, #4, or even #12.
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Tatonka68 said: 12. Mason Rudolph QB Oklahoma St 22. Harrison Phillips DT Stanford 53. James Washington WR Oklahoma St 56. Josey Jewell ILB Iowa 65. Bradley Boseman C Alabama 96. Darius Leonard OLB South Carolina St 121. Cedrick Wilson WR Boise State 166. Bo Scarbrough RB Alabama 187. Marquis Hayes Edge Ole Miss Nothing wrong with his head or arm it's his heart. He is a tennis player wearings a football helmet. I hope they pick up Scarbrough, he's a beast.
jrober38 Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, foreboding said: Agreed. The guy clearly has a high ceiling, there is no way to know if he will get more accurate as a pro, where despite others protestations here, efficiency does matter. I don't think he does have a high ceiling. Elite QBs have elite accuracy. Brady, Montana, Marino, Kelly, Brees, Manning, etc, etc, etc - they're all elite passers because they had elite accuracy. Accuracy is Allen's worst trait. If he's missing the thing all the elite guys had, how can his ceiling be as high? Edited March 21, 2018 by jrober38
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