Albert Breer's new mock

[Putin]

22 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said:

Rosen is a bust. 

I hope Jets get Rosen 

[TH3]

23 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said:

This is the #1 reason we need a dome so Bills GMs would stop worrying about arm strength so much. 

What about the away games?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

47 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Agreed. 

 

I think the Giants want Barkley. If he's gone, they'll try to trade down a couple spots and get Nelson. To trade down to 12 I think they'll need us to give up the "farm". 

 

I would if I were them, I’d take him. 

 

With beckham back at least one more season and him. Add some line talent.  With Barkley they may be able to give the eagles a run for the NFC east.  

Edited March 21, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[MAJBobby]

Sub 60% college QBs do not succeed in modern NFL

[jrober38]

3 minutes ago, Mikey152 said:

 

Again, context.  There is a difference between hitting a target and knowing where that target should be.  Both have an impact on "accuracy," though...Luke Falk is considered accurate because he is a great anticipatory thrower, for example.  But it was clear that all things being equal he cant hit the broad side of a barn, especially at distance.

 

And I am pretty sure there is a defense at the senior bowl.  Those scouting reports said Josh Allen doesn't have touch, but at the senior bowl he made a perfect bucket throw for a TD.  

 

Yes, you have to project a guy like Josh Allen.  That's the NFL front office guys job...But it's not like he came out of nowhere.  He's been on the radar for two years despite the fact that he was playing at a garbage school.  If he really was as inaccurate as you claim, there's no way that happens.

 

Inaccurate QBs get drafted in the first round all the time, and they all bust. 

 

Just because someone is a first round pick doesn't mean they're any good. 

 

EJ Manuel looked great at the Senior Bowl. Colossal bust in the NFL. 

Jake Locker looked good at the Senior Bowl. Colossal bust in the NFL. 

 

Guys with accuracy problems don't succeed in the NFL. There hasn't been a guy with accuracy problems to become a Franchise QB in at least the past 20 years. 

EJ Manuel, Jake Locker, Josh Freeman, JP Losman, Kyle Boller. The list of strong, mobile, big armed QBs who flamed out in the NFL is long and full of nothing bust guys who were complete busts. 

Accuracy is the most important trait when it comes to being a successful NFL QB. I have no idea why NFL scouts continuously ignore it, but Allen doesn't have adequate accuracy to become a top QB. 

[Mikey152]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

Sub 60% college QBs do not succeed in modern NFL

 

That's a blanket statement...I would agree that a sub-60% spread quarterback from a major school is someone to be avoided.  

 

Josh Allen is neither.

[Ittakestime]

I am not sure what people don't understand that the Bills 1-2 QBs are Darnold then Allen. 

 

People so easily want to give up all this capital, just to sit there and take Allen.  I don't understand it at all.

 

 

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, Mikey152 said:

 

That's a blanket statement...I would agree that a sub-60% spread quarterback from a major school is someone to be avoided.  

 

Josh Allen is neither.

 

Name one besides Stafford. 

[jrober38]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

 

Name one besides Stafford. 

 

Stafford completed over 61% of his passes his Junior year. 

 

Also - no one ever questioned Stafford's accuracy.....

 

Accuracy and completion percentage aren't the same thing. 

Edited March 21, 2018 by jrober38

[Mikey152]

Just now, jrober38 said:

 

Inaccurate QBs get drafted in the first round all the time, and they all bust. 

 

Just because someone is a first round pick doesn't mean they're any good. 

 

EJ Manuel looked great at the Senior Bowl. Colossal bust in the NFL. 

Jake Locker looked good at the Senior Bowl. Colossal bust in the NFL. 

 

Guys with accuracy problems don't succeed in the NFL. There hasn't been a guy with accuracy problems to become a Franchise QB in at least the past 20 years. 

EJ Manuel, Jake Locker, Josh Freeman, JP Losman, Kyle Boller. The list of strong, mobile, big armed QBs who flamed out in the NFL is long and full of nothing bust guys who were complete busts. 

Accuracy is the most important trait when it comes to being a successful NFL QB. I have no idea why NFL scouts continuously ignore it, but Allen doesn't have adequate accuracy to become a top QB. 

 

Do people ever even think for themselves anymore, or is it just parroting things they hear?

 

Josh Allen is nothing like EJ Manuel.  EJ had a super weird delivery and just looked awkward throwing a football.  It was clear to see he wasn't a natural passer.  You should be comparing him to guys like Roethlisberger, Stafford and Flacco...because those are the guys he is most like.

[BuffAlone]

33 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I seriously wonder if McDermott would take Rosen because of his religious beliefs.

More believable that the Jets pass on him due to Rosen sporting a "f" Trump hat. Jets owner happens to be Trumps British ambassador lol

[jrober38]

2 minutes ago, Mikey152 said:

 

Do people ever even think for themselves anymore, or is it just parroting things they hear?

 

Josh Allen is nothing like EJ Manuel.  EJ had a super weird delivery and just looked awkward throwing a football.  It was clear to see he wasn't a natural passer.  You should be comparing him to guys like Roethlisberger, Stafford and Flacco...because those are the guys he is most like.

 

Those are the guys he looks like. His ability as a passer isn't anywhere close to the players you mentioned.

 

None of them came out of college with scouts questioning their accuracy. 

 

There is literally no history of success for guys like Allen over the past 20 years. None. 

Edited March 21, 2018 by jrober38

[McBean]

46 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Plenty of mocks to go around, but Breer is especially plugged in around the league - and he specifically says that he showed the mock to league execs and "didn't get much pushback."  The Josh Allen rumors aren't going away and are either part of an elaborate smokescreen, or...

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/03/21/mock-draft-sam-darnold-browns-bills-trade-giants-josh-allen-broncos-trade-browns-baker-mayfield

 

2. Buffalo (projected trade with N.Y. Giants): Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming
The Bills have done a nice job building capital for a bold swing. This is one. Allen’s potential is limitless, and his big frame and arm are made for Buffalo, though he has a ways to go.

 

[DFT]

3 minutes ago, Mikey152 said:

 

Do people ever even think for themselves anymore, or is it just parroting things they hear?

 

Josh Allen is nothing like EJ Manuel.  EJ had a super weird delivery and just looked awkward throwing a football.  It was clear to see he wasn't a natural passer.  You should be comparing him to guys like Roethlisberger, Stafford and Flacco...because those are the guys he is most like.

Allen to me is Bortles with a ridiculous ceiling.   He has a once in a generation type arm and shockingly good athleticism. But oh boy, his accuracy is questionable at best. He did show up well with improved mechanics, but that changes considerably when you are facing elite pressure.  It would be a gamble that would be hard to rival, in Bills history.  

[BuffaloRebound]

http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/09/08/josh-allen-vs-iowa-2017/

 

Allen had bad stats in this game, but I don't see the accuracy issues everyone is talking about.  From what some people on this board have said about him, I'm surprised how good Allen looked against Iowa when his team was clearly over-matched.  The majority of his throws were on the money and there's probably only 2-3 QB's currently in the NFL who could make some of those throws. I don't trust Rosen.  He could be really good but I'd be happy with Allen at 2.  He's a guy you take a chance on.  His floor is probably lower than Rosen, but that's what you have McCarron for.  Allen has the potential to be the best QB in the game.  

[MAJBobby]

5 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Stafford completed over 61% of his passes his Junior year. 

 

Also - no one ever questioned Stafford's accuracy.....

 

Accuracy and completion percentage aren't the same thing. 

 

Never said they were. Josh Allen is this classes JP Losman. All the tools scattershot accuracy and decision making 

[Mikey152]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

Those are the guys he looks like. His ability as a passer isn't anywhere close to the players you mentioned.

 

None of them came out of college with scouts questioning their accuracy. 

 

There is literally no history of success for guys like Allen over the past 20 years. None. 

 

Ah yes, because NFL history is littered with smart 6'5 230 lb quarterbacks who run 4.8 40s and can throw the football 80+ yards.

 

This is my whole point.  Josh Allen himself has said he is more accurate than his stats show, and when given an opportunity to prove it on a level playing field he did.  But the narrative remains.  We will see, I guess.  It's not like you will have to eat crow when you are wrong. 

[jrober38]

1 minute ago, BuffaloRebound said:

http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/09/08/josh-allen-vs-iowa-2017/

 

Allen had bad stats in this game, but I don't see the accuracy issues everyone is talking about.  From what some people on this board have said about him, I'm surprised how good Allen looked against Iowa when his team was clearly over-matched.  The majority of his throws were on the money and there's probably only 2-3 QB's currently in the NFL who could make some of those throws. I don't trust Rosen.  He could be really good but I'd be happy with Allen at 2.  He's a guy you take a chance on.  His floor is probably lower than Rosen, but that's what you have McCarron for.  Allen has the potential to be the best QB in the game.  

 

Ugh. 

 

I don't see any basis that Allen could become the "best QB in the game" when all of the best QBs in the history of the NFL had elite pin point accuracy. 

 

Brady, Marino, Montana, Brees, Manning, Kelly, Aikman, Elway, etc - all supremely accurate passers until late in their careers. Aside from maybe Marino and Elway's arm strength, Allen is nothing like any of them. 

 

And Allen's floor is unbelievably low. Think EJ Manuel, Josh Freeman, Kyle Boller, JP Losman, etc, out of the NFL after 5 years low...

[DFT]

Just now, Mikey152 said:

 

Ah yes, because NFL history is littered with smart 6'5 230 lb quarterbacks who run 4.8 40s and can throw the football 80+ yards.

 

This is my whole point.  Josh Allen himself has said he is more accurate than his stats show, and when given an opportunity to prove it on a level playing field he did.  But the narrative remains.  We will see, I guess.  It's not like you will have to eat crow when you are wrong. 

I’ll eat a healthy dose of crow if/when I’m wrong about Allen.  I’d have zero issues taking him at 12.  His upside is arguably the second highest of any prospect in this draft (Jackson’s is s tad higher in my opinion).  He could become John Elway.  My gut tells me he will be Blake Bortles though.  I hope I’m wrong though.  I like him personally and love his incredible arm.  I’ve just seen too many things that tell me trading up for him, is too dangerous.

[jrober38]

3 minutes ago, Mikey152 said:

 

Ah yes, because NFL history is littered with smart 6'5 230 lb quarterbacks who run 4.8 40s and can throw the football 80+ yards.

 

This is my whole point.  Josh Allen himself has said he is more accurate than his stats show, and when given an opportunity to prove it on a level playing field he did.  But the narrative remains.  We will see, I guess.  It's not like you will have to eat crow when you are wrong. 

 

 

LMAO

 

EJ Manuel - 6'5, 237 pounds, 4.65 forty, huge arm - COLOSSAL BUST

Kyle Boller - 6'4, 234 pounds, 4.65 forty, huge arm - COLOSSAL BUST

Josh Freeman - 6'6, 248 pounds, 4.9 forty, huge arm - COLOSSAL BUST

Jake Locker - 6'3, 231 pounds, 4.59 forty, huge arm - COLOSSAL BUST

 

The fact that he's 6'5, 230 with some mobility doesn't matter if he can't throw accurate passes consistently. 

What matter is if he can consistently move the chains with short accurate passes. That's what all elite NFL QBs do, and have done in the past. 

 

Whether or not he can throw the ball 40 yards on a rope while on the run or 80 yards in the air is irrelevant. It's the other 98% of the passes he makes that dictate success.