Kirby Jackson Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 36 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: You think it was the QB’s idea to split Tolbert wide on 3rd and goal from the 17 and run a slant?!? Come on you are better than that. FWIW, Taylor’s stats were better than Edwards across the board anyways. If you think Edwards was a better QB I no longer respect your opinion on football. Edited March 21, 2018 by Kirby Jackson
dave mcbride Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: The first two that come to mind off the top of my head are Bud Dupree on Matt Moore... And Kiko Alonso on Joe Flacco... Yeah, the moore hit was as bad, although not worse. Flacco's looks less bad, but who really knows. Look at matt moore's performance since that hit!
dollars 2 donuts Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, DFT said: The fans. I wish our fan base could hear how terrified young QB prospects are to come here. We have a propensity to be just brutal. I hear ya, DFT. BTW, when I say "blame", what I mean is that they curse the Bills for not nurturing or developing Edwards the right way. I personally think that is a little over the top, supported by the fact that he didn't succeed anywhere else. However, I do at least recognize what they are saying. Edited March 21, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts 1
BringBackOrton Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: You think it was the QB’s idea to split Tolbert wide on 3rd and goal from the 17 and run a slant?!? Come on you are better than that. FWIW, Taylor’s stats were better than Edwards across the board anyways. If you think Edwards was a better QB I no longer respect your opinion on football. That was not the play I linked to. Tyrod was surely better than Trent. But he had some Trent in him. Down 27 and you throw an 8 yard dump to Tolbert? That's Trent-like. Edited March 21, 2018 by jmc12290
DFT Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 Just now, dollars 2 donuts said: I hear ya, DFT. BTW, when I saw "blame", what I mean is that they curse the Bills for not nurturing or developing Edwards the right way. I personally think that is a little over the top, supported by the fact that he didn't succeed anywhere else. However, I do at least recognize what they are saying. I hear ya. The hardest part about Trent Edwards is hearing him describe how much he loved Buffalo. He came back early from the concussion, even though he knew better and the fans just destroyed him. I know there are a lot of perspectives out there and each needs to be respected (unless they are just emotional tirades), but his situation today, sucks. I wish him well.
Kirby Jackson Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 1 minute ago, jmc12290 said: That was not the play I linked to. Tyrod was surely better than Trent. But he had some Trent in him. Down 27 and you throw an 8 yard dump to Tolbert? That's Trent-like. Touché, I just saw a pass to Tolbert. I assumed. My fault
BringBackOrton Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, DFT said: The fans. I wish our fan base could hear how terrified young QB prospects are to come here. We have a propensity to be just brutal. Yes, the fans in NYC, Chicago, Houston etc. all love their sucky QB's. They throw parades. Just now, Kirby Jackson said: Touché, I just saw a pass to Tolbert. I assumed. My fault It's okay. I'll still respect your football opinion.
Kirby Jackson Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 1 minute ago, jmc12290 said: Yes, the fans in NYC, Chicago, Houston etc. all love their sucky QB's. They throw parades. It's okay. I'll still respect your football opinion. Now that I’ve been corrected I will continue t respect your opinion as well.
DFT Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: Yes, the fans in NYC, Chicago, Houston etc. all love their sucky QB's. They throw parades. It's okay. I'll still respect your football opinion. Yep. You said it. NYC chose Manning over Mac. Houston loves their promising rookie and the Bears fans are eager to see Mitch’s development from his rookie year. Good on you for labeling them as “sucky”. You are absolutely exempt from that whole “brutal fan” thing. Yep.
dollars 2 donuts Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 9 minutes ago, DFT said: I hear ya. The hardest part about Trent Edwards is hearing him describe how much he loved Buffalo. He came back early from the concussion, even though he knew better and the fans just destroyed him. I know there are a lot of perspectives out there and each needs to be respected (unless they are just emotional tirades), but his situation today, sucks. I wish him well. Man, DFT, what were you thinking when they were 5-1...because I was pretty damn fired up.
DFT Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 Just now, dollars 2 donuts said: Man, DFT, what were you thinking when they were 5-1...because I was pretty damn fired up. Oh, I was too! I didn’t know then what I know now, about CTE. I really thought the Bills had found their guy. But then everything crumbled, he was vilified and the divorce was ugly. Pretty much status quo for a lot of the guys that come here to play QB. It’s tough. That’s why as much as I love Rosen and see the fit, the QB that the Bills take has to have the mental toughness like Kelly.
BigBuff423 Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 Honestly, I share your opinion for the most point. Trent was a prototypical developing QB who need a year or two to find his game in the NFL. That year, he started to put the pieces together and look the part and even in the Cards game was looking good and then, IT happened. Knocked the f-out....and he was never the same. Basically, his career died that day along with much of what promise the Bills had that year and the year after. It is a shame, because for a while, I really could see his potential coming to fruition...it was short lived, but like the OP said, it seemed like the light came on for him and just as he approached take-off, boom....done. 1
row_33 Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: I can't think of a worse hit to a qb (important qualifier) in my decades of watching football. Joe Ferguson's ending at 14 seconds against the 85 or 86 Bears... that hurt watching it... Montana's first playoff massacre delivered by Jim Burt Montana's second playoff massacre delivered by Leonard Marshall
Tenhigh Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 34 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: You think it was the QB’s idea to split Tolbert wide on 3rd and goal from the 17 and run a slant?!? Come on you are better than that. FWIW, Taylor’s stats were better than Edwards across the board anyways. If you think Edwards was a better QB I no longer respect your opinion on football. I don't think Edwards was better, but I think that he had a higher ceiling that TT before he took that hit.
BringBackOrton Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 37 minutes ago, DFT said: Yep. You said it. NYC chose Manning over Mac. Houston loves their promising rookie and the Bears fans are eager to see Mitch’s development from his rookie year. Good on you for labeling them as “sucky”. You are absolutely exempt from that whole “brutal fan” thing. Yep. Houston was so nice Brock Osweiler. NYC LOVED Geno. Chicago couldn't wait to be nicer to Glennon and Grossman. Manning and Watson got love because they were, you know, good. What's next, New England fans are better than Bills fans because they love Brady more than we loved EJ? Edited March 21, 2018 by jmc12290
DFT Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 Just now, jmc12290 said: Houston was so nice Brock Osweiler. NYC LOVED Geno. Chicago couldn't wait to be nicer to Glennon and Grossman, Quick... name a place that was nice to any of the people you listed.... Being mean and being a Bills fan are two very different things. Buffalo has a league-wide reputation for being a QB purgatory. The fan base is passionate beyond reason and if further proof is needed, feel free to re-read this thread particularly and see how some fans reacted to Trent Edwards currently suffering from Brain Damage he tried to play through. It’s a cruel world we live in, but it’s just a little crueler, if you’re a young QB, coming to Buffalo. Don’t agree? No worries. But what you’re trying to argue doesn’t, in my mind, follow anything I’ve stated as the thread title would indicate as our topic.
BringBackOrton Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, DFT said: Quick... name a place that was nice to any of the people you listed.... Being mean and being a Bills fan are two very different things. Buffalo has a league-wide reputation for being a QB purgatory. The fan base is passionate beyond reason and if further proof is needed, feel free to re-read this thread particularly and see how some fans reacted to Trent Edwards currently suffering from Brain Damage he tried to play through. It’s a cruel world we live in, but it’s just a little crueler, if you’re a young QB, coming to Buffalo. Don’t agree? No worries. But what you’re trying to argue doesn’t, in my mind, follow anything I’ve stated as the thread title would indicate as our topic. The Bills weren't QB purgatory when we had Jim Kelly. Every team without a QB is QB purgatory. This is a joke. Every fanbase is mean to QB's who suck at QBing. Edited March 21, 2018 by jmc12290
TheBrownBear Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 It's strange how much some people still hate Trent Edwards. Count me among those who believe he was absolutely a different player after that hit. He was never a vertical passer, but early in his career he was very willing and able to take shots into the intermediate part of the field. He was a West Coast Offense player and got the ball out quick, generally speaking, but that doesn't mean checking down. Something clearly got screwed up with his ability to process what was in front of him after that game. Watch film of the games leading up to the hit and then watch the game he played against the Monday night game he played against the Browns later that season. He clearly lost his ability to process what was in front of him. After that Browns game, I knew his career was finished. He played some statistically good games after that, but he never looked the same. He looked timid, fragile and lost.
T master Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 I think the Bills have had a number of QB's over the years that have been ruined by coaching decisions that other wise could have been very good & while at the position flashed signs of greatness but again due to certain coaching decisions along with the coaches lack of expertise in knowing how to teach or develop a college QB into a NFL caliber QB those players fell to the way side becoming part of the Bills losing seasons . I thought as maybe some other fans did that Edwards, Losman (& a few other Bills QB's) showed flashes that they had what it took to be really good but the coaches at the time those QB's were on the team didn't have a clue when it came to QB development such as Juaron !! Which i forgot both of those QB's i mentioned had their respective careers basically ruined while Juaron was the coach !! I just hope given what this FO & coaches have shown to this point that they are much more thorough in just how to go about scouting & then developing the young QB that they decide to draft ! Even if that QB happens to be McCarron !! Go Bills !!
Worstcaseontario Posted March 21, 2018 Posted March 21, 2018 Lol my dad bought an edwards jersey that year
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