BuffaloRebound Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 If next years 1st rounder is included, all I'm giving is the three 1st rounders and keeping the other picks. Next years 1st rounder could easily be a top 5 pick with a rookie and McCarron at QB. I'm sure Beane is smart enough to sell it that way. If we kept Tyrod, it'd be a different story.
Putin Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: I don't know why people think this sort of disclaimer is insightful. If they make the move up, of course they believe it's the franchise guy. Do you think it’s possible that McBeane likes more then one guy ? And would be willing to move up if one of them is still there ? Thats what scares me , I hope there’s one QB that he’s ready to give up ( the farm as they say )
YoloinOhio Posted March 20, 2018 Author Posted March 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Wait i thought ICB was a fraud? Someone tell me what to believe? This is playing with my emotions “Take this as you will” - means you decide whether you believe it based on what you think of him as a source and other things that are out there.
MarlinTheMagician Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 Anybody but Rosen. Can't see him wanting to be here, can't see him fitting with this regime (doesn't "trust the process"), already said he didn't want to be in Cleveland, fragile. I don't believe we would ever take him, and I will be bitterly disappointed if we do!
P51 Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 36 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Take this as you will Some quick numbers; As is... J. Johnson trade chart: Giants 2600 pts, Bills 2615 pts, plus a 2019 2nd round as a sweetner (265 points estimate, as 1st pick in 3rd round value) roughly 2880 pts total. Personally I think given the Jets trade (34% increase/23rd pick in draft value) it will take a little more to seal the deal. 11% increase? Ideal for Buffalo, but unlikely IMO from the Giants. 280 pts is 63rd/64th pick value. Could hold still and see if the Giants bite. Probably need to be more like this... J. Johnson trade value chart: Giants 2600 pts, Bills #12, #22, #53, #56, #65 (pts) and 2019 2nd round pick (265 estimate again) is 3220 pts total and an 24% increase... Still might not be enough, 620 pts is the 30th pick, still 140 pts off the Jets trade value which is about the value of the 90th pick. This is where I would hold firm, regardless. Equivalent of #2 for 2-1sts, 2-nds and a 2-3rds. Add pick 96 (116pts) and its still only a 28% increase in value, about the 24th pick in the draft. Thats pick #2 for the equivalent of 2-1sts, 2-2nds and 3-3rds. As is... Rich Hill trade chart: Giants 717.17 pts, Bills 861.43 pts (2019 2nd rounder estimate value 2018 65th pick (rd3/pick1) 77.95pts), 144.26 pt difference (roughly the 41st pick (rd2/pick 9)) and an 20% increase. Probably need to be more like this.... R. Hill trade chart: Giants 717.17 pts, Bills #12, #22, #53, #56, and 2019 2nd round (estimate value 77.95pts) for a total of 881.75 pts, 164.58 pts increase, 23% increase or the 36th pick (rd2/pick 4) value. This is where I would hold firm, regardless. Equivalent of #2 for 2-1sts, 2-nds and a 3rd. Add pick 65 (77.95pts) and the value meets the Jets trade value (+34%) roughly the 23rd pick in the draft. Thats pick #2 for the equivalent of 2-1sts, 2-2nds and 2-3rds. Hopefully they (Giants) use the R. Hill trade chart and value the 2019 2nd round pick similarly to me... Either way, I dont see the Giants not countering higher at least the 56th pick in addition. 1
RochesterRob Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Sooo “Rumor” and “take this as you will” = gospel in your world. No, you put the proper disclaimer in but to numerous others this applies but it would be tedious to re-list my opinion versus putting at the head of the story. Next time I will make sure I don't throw a quote in if a similar situation arises. My intent was to question Inc Bob's accuracy when it comes to speculation. 1
Putin Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 1 minute ago, MarlinTheMagician said: Anybody but Rosen. Can't see him wanting to be here, can't see him fitting with this regime (doesn't "trust the process"), already said he didn't want to be in Cleveland, fragile. I don't believe we would ever take him, and I will be bitterly disappointed if we do! I wouldn’t even take him if we stayed at 12 , and he was still on the board
Meazy26 Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, MarlinTheMagician said: Anybody but Rosen. Can't see him wanting to be here, can't see him fitting with this regime (doesn't "trust the process"), already said he didn't want to be in Cleveland, fragile. I don't believe we would ever take him, and I will be bitterly disappointed if we do! Kelly didn't want to be here... that turned out well.
HappyDays Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 16 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: I'd much rather they take a swing then be yet another regime that settles in hopes of finding a diamond in the rough. So just curious - if they trade up for Rosen and he busts, should they be fired? Are we accepting the inherent unpredictability of picking a QB high, or are we demanding they get this right on their first shot? I remember when Jameis Winston was a can't miss prospect... 1
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Sooo “Rumor” and “take this as you will” = gospel in your world. to some people yes. Fool me once ....... Where is Dunkirk's Hanging Chad when you need him or her?
DCOrange Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, DJB said: Has he though ? I'm not sure. He definitely flopped on the last foles rumor The beauty and curse of rumors is that if they don’t pan out, there’s no actual proof that they weren’t true at the time. We’ll never be able to disprove IB’s assertion that the Bills offered a 2nd round pick for Foles. Edit: I personally take IB with a major grain of salt, but I do trust him when it involves NYC teams like the Giants. He’s proven to have good connections there IMO. Edited March 20, 2018 by DCOrange
RochesterRob Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Meazy26 said: Kelly didn't want to be here... that turned out well. Don't count on that happening twice.
Putin Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Meazy26 said: Kelly didn't want to be here... that turned out well. Yah but Kelly was a LB playing QB , Rosen could be one hit away form going into politics
26CornerBlitz Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Putin said: Yah but Kelly was a LB playing QB , Rosen could be one hit away form going into politics Rosen is 6'4" 225 lbs. Seems plenty sturdy to sustain NFL punishment. Edited March 20, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: “Take this as you will” - means you decide whether you believe it based on what you think of him as a source and other things that are out there. Just waiting for someone to tell me what to think. Normally what goes on around here 1
RochesterRob Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, HappyDays said: So just curious - if they trade up for Rosen and he busts, should they be fired? Are we accepting the inherent unpredictability of picking a QB high, or are we demanding they get this right on their first shot? I remember when Jameis Winston was a can't miss prospect... Of course they should be fired according to the move up crowd here and they will be brandishing the torches and pitchforks under new accounts complete with I told them this was going to fail or the tea leaves said it was going to fail. 1
Putin Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Rosen is 6'4 225 lbs. Seems plenty sturdy to sustain NFL punishment. He already had 2 concussions ( if I’m not mistaken ) 1
JohnC Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: That is exactly what my opening offer would be..... that isn't to say I believe the rumour.... but that is where I would start. Let the Giants try and talk me up from there. If the Giants don't want to take a qb with their high pick some version of this deal would make a lot of sense for them. For Buffalo it would be a good deal because we have a bonus pick in the first, second and third round. So essentially we would still have the normal number of picks in most of the rounds. If the Giants squeeze us harder and demand a first round pick next year I would with a stone face (masking my happy face) say where do I sign? 1
26CornerBlitz Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Putin said: He already had 2 concussions ( if I’m not mistaken ) That he's recovered from with no lingering issues.
Chuck Wagon Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 23 minutes ago, HappyDays said: So just curious - if they trade up for Rosen and he busts, should they be fired? Are we accepting the inherent unpredictability of picking a QB high, or are we demanding they get this right on their first shot? I remember when Jameis Winston was a can't miss prospect... If you've already decided the QB is going to be E.J. 2.0, why don't you find something more enjoyable to do with your time?
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