oldmanfan Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 20 hours ago, kdiggz said: I'm guessing they have inquired. It was reported their plan A was Cousins and plan B was Keenum and possibly trading to 1. Denver is QB desperate and when a team is desperate they do crazy things. I think they want Mayfield or Allen so staying where they are might be fine for now. If they do decide they need to get ahead of someone because they want a QB linked to someone else I think they are our biggest threat. If Giants decide to take a QB and our last hope is to trade up to 4 I think Cleveland would much rather deal with Denver and swap spots so they could still get Barkley and that would be end of the road for us. So we need to get to 2, there's no other play for us and Giants hold our destiny in their hands and they know it. So we criticize the Broncos for trying to move up because they're desperate, but criticize the Bills if they don't move up. makes perfect sense.
Thurman#1 Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 On 3/20/2018 at 8:54 PM, YoloinOhio said: No other team will have 2 1sts to offer this year nor the overall draft capital in 2018 to realistically be able to offer 2 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd. Yeah, no other team has 2 1sts. But if any of them are convinced that the next elite QB is there, they all have four first rounders to trade, their 1sts in 2018, 2019, 2020 and 2021. You can trade your 2021 picks after the draft has begun according to the rules, but considering how many FA contracts were made before the FA period started, deals could be made right now to become official later. I hope they can get the #2 for just this year's picks. But it's far from a sure thing. If somebody is desperate, anything could happen.
K D Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: So we criticize the Broncos for trying to move up because they're desperate, but criticize the Bills if they don't move up. makes perfect sense. Not criticizing anyone for getting a franchise QB. You don't win without one. Some teams are more desperate than others is the point that you are missing. If you don't get a QB you will lose your job. So to think Denver will just sit back and do nothing is naive 1
YoloinOhio Posted March 22, 2018 Author Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Yeah, no other team has 2 1sts. But if any of them are convinced that the next elite QB is there, they all have four first rounders to trade, their 1sts in 2018, 2019, 2020 and 2021. You can trade your 2021 picks after the draft has begun according to the rules, but considering how many FA contracts were made before the FA period started, deals could be made right now to become official later. I hope they can get the #2 for just this year's picks. But it's far from a sure thing. If somebody is desperate, anything could happen. As would the Bills. If you want to include the next 3 1st rounders then the Bills have 5 1sts and the rest have 4. They have more draft ammo than any other team, period. Considering current year draft picks are more valuable than future, they are the only team other than Cleveland (who doesn’t need it with already holding the 1st pick) with enough ammo this year to get it done that way too. And if you look at the QB situation on all 32 teams, no team is more desperate than the Bills at the position. They are the only team without a starter. Even the Browns and Jets have named their starting Qb for this season. AJ McCarron is blatantly being presented as a backup with the passive approach to signing him and the structure and size of the contract. Edited March 22, 2018 by YoloinOhio 2
dlonce Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 The Giants are doing their best to get Cleveland to take the QB first with their loving Darnold rumors. If you love a particular player,why on earth would you publicize it? The question is why are they trying to get Cleveland to take Darnold. Do they love Rosen,maybe Allen? Do they desire Barkley? Are they doing dirty work for a team that wants Rosen who they are trading down with? 1
BuffaloRebound Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, dlonce said: The Giants are doing their best to get Cleveland to take the QB first with their loving Darnold rumors. If you love a particular player,why on earth would you publicize it? The question is why are they trying to get Cleveland to take Darnold. Do they love Rosen,maybe Allen? Do they desire Barkley? Are they doing dirty work for a team that wants Rosen who they are trading down with? They're appeasing their fanbase that they would've taken Darnold if he was available trying to show they did their due diligence on QB's but nobody other than Darnold was worth prematurely ending Eli's career with the Giants.
Threedollabills Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 On 2018-03-20 at 11:20 PM, K-9 said: I've considered both possibilities, especially the Browns, who would be crazy to risk their QB of the future. As to the Giants, while I personally think they're nuts on passing up the opportunity to draft their QB for 10 years after Manning retires, they don't have a ton of picks, their roster needs upgrades and in a deep draft, we are uniquely positioned for them to acquire of ton of picks in this draft. And the Giants wouldn't make a trade with the Jest if their lives depended on it, so that avenue was never available to them. I dunno. They had two MAJOR pieces go down early last year. If it wasn't for that, they wouldn't even be close to picking this high in the first place.
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 On 3/20/2018 at 7:58 AM, BigBuff423 said: Man, that IS a king's ransom to make that move...in fact, it would seem that would be enough to get to #1.....if the Giant's counter, I'd love to know how much more they think they can get....woof! In many ways, for all of that, I'd rather stay put....wow. Why? I don't understand this mentality. What good is staying put if we don't get the player that will move us forward? Makes no sense to me. Quality over quantity 1
Reed83HOF Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 10 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: They have more draft ammo than any other team, period. Technically there is one other team with more draft ammo/capital than us...just saying
Chuck Wagon Posted March 23, 2018 Posted March 23, 2018 Pretty simple, if the Giants decide there's a can't miss player, they either take him at 2 or trade down to 5. If they don't then I think they take all the picks we can give them.
BBillsWestCoast Posted March 23, 2018 Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) #1 Darnold - Cleveland #2 Chubb - Giants (unless Bills acquire pick #4 and trade again with Giants - PROBABLY NOT): JPP trade makes this almost official #3 Rosen - Jets #4 Barkley - Cleveland #5 ????? - Denver (if not QB then...) #6 TRADE ALERT with Colts? Allen and Mayfield Would you do it, hope for them to fall further or wait another year? I am a Darnold/Rosen fan only unless a QB drops to us. http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/56590/pierre-paul-trade-sets-stage-for-more-giants-moves-to-be-made or are they completely retooling and looking for a dance partner to trade with?? Edited March 23, 2018 by BBillsWestCoast Added link 1
BigBuff423 Posted March 23, 2018 Posted March 23, 2018 2 hours ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said: Why? I don't understand this mentality. What good is staying put if we don't get the player that will move us forward? Makes no sense to me. Quality over quantity Well my contention is that moving up does not guarantee you a franchise changer. Most years there Jana QB that “comes out of nowhere” to exceed their Draft position and expectations. Am I for Drafting a QB in Round 1 or 2? Yes...but given where the team is in terms of roster needs, and year where there are maybe 5 or 6 truly good QBs, I would prefer to stay put at 12 and keep all those picks. Luke Falk is a 2nd round guy who could very well end up being a good NFL QB. He has much of what you’re looking for, or stay at 12 and take Jackson or Rudolph... It’s not that I don’t understand the desire to move up and I wouldn’t hate it....I just disagree that it is best for the franchise over the long term.
BBillsWestCoast Posted March 23, 2018 Posted March 23, 2018 I am totally good with Trading down if your guy isn't their. I'll take another #1 next year and a pick in the 20's again. basically we would get a #1 for Cordy. 2
Ol Dirty B Posted March 23, 2018 Posted March 23, 2018 After the JPP trade, I'm giving up on the hope that the Giants would trade out. I think they should go QB, but now it looks like Chubbs either way, they did all this maneuvering in the hopes of moving up and getting your guy at QB (at least widely assumed, it could be inaccurate)... and here we are drafting at 7-9 territory again at 12. It just doesn't stop with this team. I know a lot of people disagree, and that's what makes the sport great. You can easily argue for building a team around a lesser QB, and hope it works out. Sometimes it does. The 2014 season was my favorite drought season, and I'd even say I liked that team more than last years team that made the playoffs. To me that is about what you're going to get going that route, again, I could be wrong, but it seems like an aberration to do much better than that without a great QB. So I'm in the camp that comes off as ridiculous where you just keep giving away picks every couple years to trade up and try it with one of the best prospects. I know some people hate it, and I understand it, it can kill your depth, you're missing out on other impact players. I just would like to see it explored. I think Cleveland did the opposite of it and they are 1-32. I guess it's hard for me to get mad about losing when that's what this team has done except for a stretch in the late 80's early 90's. I'm fine with taking chances.
Pbomb Posted March 23, 2018 Posted March 23, 2018 I think the bills will try to get to #4 and then trade up with the giants, that way the giants will still get chubb. Its a win/win for both teams and the asking price wont be as much.
Exxdee Posted March 23, 2018 Posted March 23, 2018 Gettleman also has never traded down, so yeah Chubb seems like the pick. I keep having this feeling that the Bills will take Josh Allen ugh.. He fits the mold of the QBs they brought in, Peterman and McCaron. McBeane drafted a bunch of seniors last year that they saw in the Senior Bowl such as Tredavious White and Dion Dawkins. And compared to Rosen, Allen doesn't have any red flags in terms of intangibles... he fits the process. And arm strength #1 attribute yada yada. He's #5 on my QB board, but hopefully the Bills are right
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