Rumor: Trade up discussion with Giants

[formerlyofCtown]

9 hours ago, CountDorkula said:

No.

 

18 Years without a QB. 

we had QBs every year.

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

we had QBs every year.

THOSE QB’s often made me sad.  

 

I hope we have better scouts than the other guys. Then we get a quarterback whisperer and need to make room for SB trophies! 

[HappyDays]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

FWIW, I don’t hate the idea of Lamar Jackson at 12. I just think it is a smarter strategy to pay the price using this year’s assets to get up and get the guy that you want. I’ve always been under the assumption that it is Josh Rosen

 

I think the price mentioned at the beginning of this thread is much lower than the Giants will actually ask for. The Colts got 3 2nd round picks and only moved down 3 spots. Moreover, those 2nds are all higher value than any 2nd round pick the Bills could offer. So we want to move up 10 spots, to an even higher value pick. In my mind that's gonna cost 2 extra 1sts (#22 and next year's), at least 2 2nds, and a 3rd or 4th. I might run the math to figure it out exactly based on what the Jets gave up but that's what I'm estimating. I have no interest in giving up that much even IF it's a 50/50 shot that we pick the right guy.

 

And as bad as the probability of successfully picking a top 3 QB is, that probability gets worse if you take out the 1st overalls and only count guys picked 2nd or 3rd. Take out Stafford, Luck, Manning, Newton, Palmer, Vick and what are you left with? Matt Ryan? But I'm supposed to think this draft is different? No way I'm giving up a ton when I look at the remaining list of 2nds and 3rds. No freaking way.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

15 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Well, one of them is Daniel Jeremiah a former NFL scout for three NFL teams Eagles, Browns, Ravens. There are other highly regarded NFL scouts, players who put these grades together and they are pretty accurate. 

 

This year teams are acting so desperate to get a top QB like the NY Jets moving from #6 to #3. It's like Bills fans are also getting desperate thinking that they will miss out.

 

There is only one QB graded at 7.0 and that is Darnold who will probably go #1 overall. Rosen has a grade of 6.1 because he has more baggage. Both Mayfield, Allen have grades of 6.0 and Jackson a 5.9. Why give up the farm and all the animals for a 6.1 when one of two 6.0s just might fall out of the top six. Mason Rudolph grades a 5.6. 

 

The only player I can see Buffalo trading up for is Darnold as the rest grade pretty close together. See what I'm saying at all? 

Jeremiah has Darnold as the #1 QB prospect the last 3 years. Rosen #3. Rosen is worth a trade up. 

Edited March 20, 2018 by TheTruthHurts

[Wayne Cubed]

20 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Well, one of them is Daniel Jeremiah a former NFL scout for three NFL teams Eagles, Browns, Ravens. There are other highly regarded NFL scouts, players who put these grades together and they are pretty accurate. 

 

This year teams are acting so desperate to get a top QB like the NY Jets moving from #6 to #3. It's like Bills fans are also getting desperate thinking that they will miss out.

 

There is only one QB graded at 7.0 and that is Darnold who will probably go #1 overall. Rosen has a grade of 6.1 because he has more baggage. Both Mayfield, Allen have grades of 6.0 and Jackson a 5.9. Why give up the farm and all the animals for a 6.1 when one of two 6.0s just might fall out of the top six. Mason Rudolph grades a 5.6. 

 

The only player I can see Buffalo trading up for is Darnold as the rest grade pretty close together. See what I'm saying at all? 

 

No offense, but those player grades are from Lance Zierlein and are in no way influenced by Daniel Jeremiah. It is his and his grade alone. 

 

So no, those aren’t Daniel Jeremiahs grades or a combination of other scouts. It is literally one guys opinion.

 

Lance Zierlein thinks Darnold is a 7.0 and now your going to ask, who’s Lance Zierlein.

 

 

Edited March 20, 2018 by Wayne Cubed

[formerlyofCtown]

9 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

Oh no, what are we going to do at SAM linebacker, 3rd WR, backup DT and 3rd CB!  Way too many holes to get a franchise QB for the first time in 2 decades!

Almost agree except we need a WR 1.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, formerlyofCtown said:

Almost agree except we need a WR 1.

We have 1. He just needs to take the offseason seriously. 

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I think the price mentioned at the beginning of this thread is much lower than the Giants will actually ask for. The Colts got 3 2nd round picks and only moved down 3 spots. Moreover, those 2nds are all higher value than any 2nd round pick the Bills could offer. So we want to move up 10 spots, to an even higher value pick. In my mind that's gonna cost 2 extra 1sts (#22 and next year's), at least 2 2nds, and a 3rd or 4th. I might run the math to figure it out exactly based on what the Jets gave up but that's what I'm estimating. I have no interest in giving up that much even IF it's a 50/50 shot that we pick the right guy.

 

And as bad as the probability of successfully picking a top 3 QB is, that probability gets worse if you take out the 1st overalls and only count guys picked 2nd or 3rd. Take out Stafford, Luck, Manning, Newton, Palmer, Vick and what are you left with? Matt Ryan? But I'm supposed to think this draft is different? No way I'm giving up a ton when I look at the remaining list of 2nds and 3rds. No freaking way.

That’s not what it is going to cost. The Giants are picking 2 then. The Bills can get there for 12, 22, and 2 of 53, 56 & 65 plus a 2nd, 3rd or 4th next year. It will be those 5 picks or it isn’t happening. The math has already been done on here. The Bills would be paying a premium at those numbers (not as high of a premium as the Jets). No one else can come close to that package.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...just a hunch, but I still don't see McBeane going "all in" with draft capital for ONE player (QB).......but who knows, so speculation continues....

[dave mcbride]

3 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

No offense, but those player grades are from Lance Zierlein and are in no way influenced by Daniel Jeremiah. It is his and his grade alone. 

 

So no, those aren’t Daniel Jeremiahs grades or a combination of other scouts.

 

 

Darnold is 4rd overall at 7.0. Barkley is #1 at 7.4,  Nelson is 7.3, and Chubb is 7.3. 

[#34fan]

4 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

What?! Let’s try this again.

 

My point is about.... wait for it... DRAFT ASSETS, waisting draft assets didn’t cripple this franchise.

 

 

 Who ever said it did?

 

The only thing crippled here, are your reading comprehension skills. 

 

The Bills are in a very good spot to get some QUALITY NFL starters on both sides of the ball... I don't think we should abandon that position for a complete uncertainty at QB.

 

[dave mcbride]

Just now, #34fan said:

 

 Who ever said it did?

 

The only thing crippled here, are your reading comprehension skills. 

 

The Bills are in a very good spot to get some QUALITY NFL starters on both sides of the ball... I don't think we should abandon that position for a complete uncertainty at QB.

 

Who at the premier positions - DE, LT, WR, and CB - are going to be available at our slots? It's a bad year for DE, WR, and LT. I don't know about CB, but we shouldn't be drafting CB anyway. 

[Wayne Cubed]

4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Darnold is 4rd overall at 7.0. Barkley is #1 at 7.4,  Nelson is 7.3, and Chubb is 7.3. 

 

Yea, according to Lance Zierlein.

[formerlyofCtown]

9 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

Their are going to be a lot of teams with lots of cap room in 2019. The top FA still have to want to play in the snow and weather conditions in Buffalo. If The Bean trades up in this draft with the Giants then he likes two QB's in this draft. So much draft capital to part with, it must suck to know if you choose wrong you killed and set the franchise back at least 3 years.

not really these are mostly extra picks.  We would only lose 1 pick after this year and have almost a full compliment of picks this year.  I'm fine either way if they feel they found their guy.  Or if they decide these guys aren't can't miss and decide not to trade up for that cost.  If they do it and get the real deal we will all love it.  If they do it and he is a bust almost all of the posters that were demanding it will call for their heads.

[RochesterRob]

3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Who at the premier positions - DE, LT, WR, and CB - are going to be available at our slots? It's a bad year for DE, WR, and LT. I don't know about CB, but we shouldn't be drafting CB anyway. 

  A good draft for DT, ILB, Interior OL, and outside the first round in RB.  The few WR out there could be had late first round or there about.

[Fadingpain]

10 hours ago, BigBuff423 said:

Man, that IS a king's ransom to make that move...in fact, it would seem that would be enough to get to #1.....if the Giant's counter, I'd love to know how much more they think they can get....woof!

 

In many ways, for all of that, I'd rather stay put....wow.

Don't fall into the trap of assuming that it is automatic that we could covert all those assets into quality football players, if we do not make the move.

 

A high pick doesn't always equal a good football player.  

 

We'd probably be lucky to hit on half of those picks.

 

 

[Mat68]

Either Buffalo released this info so if/when they dont make a trade to 2 they can say offers were made and you need a partner to trade.  The other one is NYG are trying to encourage others to make offers to push up the price.  

[#34fan]

4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Who at the premier positions - DE, LT, WR, and CB - are going to be available at our slots? It's a bad year for DE, WR, and LT. I don't know about CB, but we shouldn't be drafting CB anyway. 

 

 Definitely NO to a CB...  I like D. Payne and Rashaan Evans personally...

[RochesterRob]

2 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

Either Buffalo released this info so if/when they dont make a trade to 2 they can say offers were made and you need a partner to trade.  The other one is NYG are trying to encourage others to make offers to push up the price.  

  I don't think that the Bills would release this to appease people.  

[Dr. Who]

3 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

Either Buffalo released this info so if/when they dont make a trade to 2 they can say offers were made and you need a partner to trade.  The other one is NYG are trying to encourage others to make offers to push up the price.  

Or some fella made a guess and claimed it was inside info.