Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said: Its like pistol whipping a blind kid so it hardly feels like a victory. You dont really bring anything original to the table so Sure thing little buddy. Suuuuure thing.
K-9 Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I agree that RJ and Bledsoe represent such an allocation of resources. Losman I find to be a gray area since it doesn't quite mesh with the idea that they valued QB enough to make it their #1 priority. Thanks for checking me on that--it's an important distinction to draw.
MrEpsYtown Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 27 minutes ago, horned dogs said: Mason Rudolph upside= AJ McCarron upside but one was a 5th round pick. http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/mason-rudolph?id=2559942 http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/aj-mccarron?id=2543497 Plus AJ has NFL experience now, MR belongs no where near #12. We have that kind of upside right now! 100% agreement. I always like to add this one as well: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/nathan-peterman?id=2558191 Some people are in denial, but Rudolph is not the prospect they are dreaming up. 1
Nihilarian Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 8 minutes ago, McD said: EJ Manual was taken with the Bills first pick in the '13 Draft. I'm all about being aggressive, but do you throw away an entire Draft in the "hopes" that a guy can be the one? I'm not overly excited about ANY of these QB's but everyone is going crazy about grabbing one. Is it a need? Yep a big one. Would I like to get one with our first pick? Sure. Do I want to have a shiny new toy with nobody for him to throw the ball to? With a 30 yr old RB and an O-Line that needs help and depth. Does he sit on the sideline while our porous D can't stop the run and has a hard time getting to the QB and can't cover a TE? I mean a good young QB could be put into a HORRIBLE situation and be damaged forever if not in a good system/position. Forget about reasoning with a pack of food-starved, crazed rabid dogs drooling over what they see is a tasty morsel of something they haven't had for over two decades. Right now every QB in the top few look like the next Jim Kelly to them. Everyone wants the next Carson Wentz, Deshaun Watson and what they will get is another Mark Sanchez, Geno Smith. Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield, Mason Rudolph, Lamar Jackson all go in the first round and probably only two will beat the odds and have good success in the NFL. Which two? As for me, I'd like to keep all the 2018 picks and steal this guy away from Pittsburgh at 22 for leaving us holding our JP Losman. https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/3/3/17073246/mason-rudolph-draft-oklahoma-state-qb-2018
1billsfan Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: What Else Would The Giants Want, Sheeesh! Exactly, I just did a draft on fanspeak and here is a sample of what the choice would look like... 2018 Starting QB: AJ McCarron (no trade up) with… 12: R1P12 LB TREMAINE EDMUNDS VIRGINIA TECH 22: R1P22 LB RASHAAN EVANS ALABAMA 53: R2P21 WR D.J. CHARK LSU 65: R3P1 RB NICK CHUBB GEORGIA 96: R3P32 QB KYLE LAULETTA RICHMOND 2018 Starting QB: Josh Rosen (after the trade up to #2) with… 56: R2P24 C JAMES DANIELS IOWA 96: R3P32 DL TIM SETTLE Plus no 2nd round pick in 2019 It's very startling when you see a sample of giving up that many prime picks, then you add in the concussion issues with Rosen, along with his possible lack of passion for the game. It's easy to see why the Bills would just forget about trading up and build up a great team around McCarron. BTW, there will be a very good player at #12 if 4 or 5 of these QBs go before their pick. Edited March 20, 2018 by 1billsfan 1
Chuck Wagon Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 The few Giants fans on their message board (man, we are lucky with this board) are demanding the 2019 1st as part of the package.
dave mcbride Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 26 minutes ago, K-9 said: I am in agreement with the spirit of this post. And I agree, now is the time. However, I continue to maintain that we can't exclude trades of their first round draft slots for QBs: Rob Johnson for the their #9 pick in the '98 draft Drew Bledsoe for their #14 pick in '03 draft JP Losman for their #20 pick in the '05 draft And no, that's not splitting hairs. Those are examples of their actual first round investments in QBs over the years. No need to respond or start a tangent debate on the subject. Like I said, I agree with the spirit of your post. My quibble is treating a future first rounder as equivalent to a first rounder given that it should be discounted by a round. Regardless, they've never had the guts to take a guy fresh out of college with their first slotted pick. In the cases of RJ and Bledsoe, they let other NFL teams develop them first and formed opinions based on their pro experience, not their college experience. That is a BIG difference.
thebandit27 Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 18 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: Forget about reasoning with a pack of food-starved, crazed rabid dogs drooling over what they see is a tasty morsel of something they haven't had for over two decades. Right now every QB in the top few look like the next Jim Kelly to them. Everyone wants the next Carson Wentz, Deshaun Watson and what they will get is another Mark Sanchez, Geno Smith. Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield, Mason Rudolph, Lamar Jackson all go in the first round and probably only two will beat the odds and have good success in the NFL. Which two? As for me, I'd like to keep all the 2018 picks and steal this guy away from Pittsburgh at 22 for leaving us holding our JP Losman. https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/3/3/17073246/mason-rudolph-draft-oklahoma-state-qb-2018 Yes, waiting and taking whatever QB is left later in the draft has worked out extremely well for the team these last 30 drafts. 1
K-9 Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: My quibble is treating a future first rounder as equivalent to a first rounder given that it should be discounted by a round. Regardless, they've never had the guts to take a guy fresh out of college with their first slotted pick. In the cases of RJ and Bledsoe, they let other NFL teams develop them first and formed opinions based on their pro experience, not their college experience. That is a BIG difference. It is NO difference in the expenditure of their draft capital. No matter how you slice it, the Bills used their first pick in the '98 draft on Rob Johnson, the #9 pick overall, etc. Too me, what's quibbling over split hairs is the '83 draft where folks like to point out how we took Hunter instead of Kelly at 12 vs. 14, respectively. I get it, but there just isn't that much difference.
Chuck Wagon Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 30 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: Forget about reasoning with a pack of food-starved, crazed rabid dogs drooling over what they see is a tasty morsel of something they haven't had for over two decades. Right now every QB in the top few look like the next Jim Kelly to them. Everyone wants the next Carson Wentz, Deshaun Watson and what they will get is another Mark Sanchez, Geno Smith. Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield, Mason Rudolph, Lamar Jackson all go in the first round and probably only two will beat the odds and have good success in the NFL. Which two? As for me, I'd like to keep all the 2018 picks and steal this guy away from Pittsburgh at 22 for leaving us holding our JP Losman. https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/3/3/17073246/mason-rudolph-draft-oklahoma-state-qb-2018 Who hurt you?
Solomon Grundy Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 38 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: He had no supporting cast. From a sheer athletic standpoint he is faster than Rosen and Darnold, has a bigger arm than both of them as well. Allen by far has a higher ceiling than any prospect in the draft, by far. I'm confused. Josh Allen had as good a supporting cast as Lamar Jackson yet Jackson had better stats, won more games against top flight competition and won the Heisman trophy but Allen is a better prospect? 2
MrEpsYtown Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 40 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: He had no supporting cast. From a sheer athletic standpoint he is faster than Rosen and Darnold, has a bigger arm than both of them as well. Allen by far has a higher ceiling than any prospect in the draft, by far. Allen is also faster than Mayfield, which man people ignore. Small and slow combination no bueno unless you are a once in a lieftime Drew Brees. Allen is going to go very high. 1
#34fan Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 ALL THAT???? -For kid who may not even be able to play??? This, people, is exactly why you tank... -It only hurts ONCE... -This trade could debilitate a team for the better part of a decade. 1
Chuck Wagon Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Allen is also faster than Mayfield, which man people ignore. Small and slow combination no bueno unless you are a once in a lieftime Drew Brees. Allen is going to go very high. Allen with Oklahoma's talent and coaching would be the clear #1 in fans minds IMO. I don't think NFL scouts and decision makers have Baker anywhere near as high as fans do. 1
H2o Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said: Allen is also faster than Mayfield, which man people ignore. Small and slow combination no bueno unless you are a once in a lieftime Drew Brees. Allen is going to go very high. Mayfield isn't "slow" on the field. He can run if need be. He is no Lamar Jackson of course, but he is quick/fast enough to scramble if a hole opens up or if he needs to buy a little time.
Solomon Grundy Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 13 minutes ago, Bills Juggernaut said: I trust Imprisoned Robert. Lock him up! Lock him up! 1
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