McD Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I've asked this a few times, but haven't really gotten a response from anyone else, so I'll ask you... This franchise has been in existence for almost 60 years, and has never used it's first draft slot to select a QB. If now is not the time to be aggressive, then when? EJ Manual was taken with the Bills first pick in the '13 Draft. I'm all about being aggressive, but do you throw away an entire Draft in the "hopes" that a guy can be the one? I'm not overly excited about ANY of these QB's but everyone is going crazy about grabbing one. Is it a need? Yep a big one. Would I like to get one with our first pick? Sure. Do I want to have a shiny new toy with nobody for him to throw the ball to? With a 30 yr old RB and an O-Line that needs help and depth. Does he sit on the sideline while our porous D can't stop the run and has a hard time getting to the QB and can't cover a TE? I mean a good young QB could be put into a HORRIBLE situation and be damaged forever if not in a good system/position.
Lurker Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Interesting study: since 1999, each time the Browns have drafted a QB in the first round, the very next QB off the board has gone on to a more successful career. He wasn't their first draft slot; they moved down from 8 overall That's why I said define it. Their first pick in round one is still their first draft slot...
Buffalo Bills Detective Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: Allen looks like Ben Roethlisberger at times, he has that kind of ability. Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield cannot do what Allen can do. Rudolph is drawing interest from the Patriots and Steelers, which kind of tells you everything you need to know about him. I'm sticking to my guns, I'm behind either Allen or Rudolph. Flame away. Go back and watch Wyoming vs. Iowa and Wyoming vs. Oregon and please tell us where he looked like Roethlisberger during those games. Edited March 20, 2018 by Buffalo Bills Detective
T-Bomb Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 18 minutes ago, McD said: If the Bills do this... the 3-13 G-Men will be back in the Playoffs before we are. We can't go freaking crazy because the Jets did. We have the ammo for some damned good additions on both sides of the ball, with youth and depth. I know we need a QB, but damn. Additions don't mean shite without a QB.
par73 Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 I don't think the Giants want to drop all the way to 12. It will likely take two trades for the Bills to get to number 2.
Rob's House Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 14 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I've asked this a few times, but haven't really gotten a response from anyone else, so I'll ask you... This franchise has been in existence for almost 60 years, and has never used it's first draft slot to select a QB. If now is not the time to be aggressive, then when? Next year. 3
McD Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 1 minute ago, T-Bomb said: Additions don't mean shite without a QB. We have a QB.
Green Lightning Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 5 hours ago, ALF said: I posted in another tread To move up to #2 might offer #12 , #22 , 2019 #1 and a player if necessary. Maybe 2019 , 2nd rd also The Bills need the remainder of 2018 picks for needed players now. With all the cap space in 2019 from dead cap leaving , will have plenty of cap space for free agency to cover loss of 2019 #1. Giants will have big time offers after Jets moved to #3. This could be the most important draft ever. I can live with this, save for next year's 2nd rounder.
thebandit27 Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Does that count the last two QBs they actively traded? I am not counting Kizer, though I would argue that if you get traded after your rookie season, then something's not right. 2 minutes ago, Lurker said: That's why I said define it. Their first pick in round one is still their first draft slot... No. Their first draft slot was No. 8 overall; they used that to trade down. I think you know what I'm saying.
ghostwriter Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said: Go back and watch Wyoming vs. Iowa and Wyoming vs. Oregon and please tell us where he looked like Roethlisberger during those games. He had no supporting cast. From a sheer athletic standpoint he is faster than Rosen and Darnold, has a bigger arm than both of them as well. Allen by far has a higher ceiling than any prospect in the draft, by far.
dezertbill Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 If Rudolph was the Bills choice there would be no talk of moving up to 2 They either have an idea of what the Browns are doing or have 2 guys they would be happy as heck to have (like 1983 when they took Tony Hunter With their first 1st round pick knowing 2 picks later they would have either Kelly or Marino available. )
T-Bomb Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, McD said: We have a QB. lol riiight
Roundybout Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 Hey, what is jeffismagic up to over at BuffaloRumblings? The only bet I have on Rosen is with Vandine. I am betting Mahomes throws more TD’s than Rosen next year. If we discussed top ten status for Rosen I don’t recall finalizing anything on how that would work Ah, never change, Jeff. Never change. 1
aristocrat Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Green Lightning said: I can live with this, save for next year's 2nd rounder. It’s probably not gonna work without at least one second. We’ve gotta overpay like the jets did. They gave up the 6 pick and 3 seconds to move up 3 spots. 3 firsts and at least this years seconds
John from Riverside Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 If they think he is a franchise qb for the next 10 years? Just do it....make it happen
K-9 Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 18 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I've asked this a few times, but haven't really gotten a response from anyone else, so I'll ask you... This franchise has been in existence for almost 60 years, and has never used it's first draft slot to select a QB. If now is not the time to be aggressive, then when? I am in agreement with the spirit of this post. And I agree, now is the time. However, I continue to maintain that we can't exclude trades of their first round draft slots for QBs: Rob Johnson for the their #9 pick in the '98 draft Drew Bledsoe for their #14 pick in '03 draft JP Losman for their #20 pick in the '05 draft And no, that's not splitting hairs. Those are examples of their actual first round investments in QBs over the years. No need to respond or start a tangent debate on the subject. Like I said, I agree with the spirit of your post. 1
BillsMafia13 Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 1 hour ago, joesixpack said: nah, chump. Just remembering the good old days of you declaring yourself a debate winner. Its like pistol whipping a blind kid so it hardly feels like a victory. You dont really bring anything original to the table so
thebandit27 Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, K-9 said: I am in agreement with the spirit of this post. And I agree, now is the time. However, I continue to maintain that we can't exclude trades of their first round draft slots for QBs: Rob Johnson for the their #9 pick in the '98 draft Drew Bledsoe for their #14 pick in '03 draft JP Losman for their #20 pick in the '05 draft And no, that's not splitting hairs. Those are examples of their actual first round investments in QBs over the years. No need to respond or start a tangent debate on the subject. Like I said, I agree with the spirit of your post. I agree that RJ and Bledsoe represent such an allocation of resources. Losman I find to be a gray area since it doesn't quite mesh with the idea that they valued QB enough to make it their #1 priority. Thanks for checking me on that--it's an important distinction to draw.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Take this as you will What Else Would The Giants Want, Sheeesh!
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