Alphadawg7 Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 4 hours ago, ALF said: I posted in another tread To move up to #2 might offer #12 , #22 , 2019 #1 and a player if necessary. Maybe 2019 , 2nd rd also The Bills need the remainder of 2018 picks for needed players now. With all the cap space in 2019 from dead cap leaving , will have plenty of cap space for free agency to cover loss of 2019 #1. Giants will have big time offers after Jets moved to #3. This could be the most important draft ever. I don’t think the Giants are going to get any offer other than a Bills offer. There is no one left who needs a QB so bad they would mortgage their draft capital line this. Bills have lots of leverage here actually, because there are not any other dance partners who would pay a bounty. 1
dave mcbride Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said: Yeah, I'm left wondering the same. He seemed to really regress last year. I don't see much at all. USC was a stacked preseason top-5 team and he could only lead them to a 3 loss season? Josh Rosen averaged over 380 yard/games in games that he started and finished. And that's with one of the worst o-line and receiving groups in the country. The draft is about projection, as I've said over and over. Darnold -- who, again, is 20 -- can do things that Rosen can't do, and always performed better than Rosen in the bigger games (e.g., Stanford, an elite program). He has a better arm, is way better at extending plays, and while he's more of a damn-the-torpedoes gunslinger, I'm ok with that. He had a good season this year, and in both of his seasons he's played reasonably tough competition nearly every week. You do realize that one of the UCLA tackles (Kolton Miller) is likely to be drafted in the first round, right? Having said all of this, I like Rosen a lot and would be thrilled to land him. Edited March 20, 2018 by dave mcbride 1
HurlyBurly51 Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 When will people learn not to listen to IB. I actually thought topics from that source were banned.
26CornerBlitz Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: The draft is about projection, as I've said over and over. Darnold -- who, again, is 20 -- can do things that Rosen can't do, and always performed better in the bigger games. He has a better arm, is way better at extending plays, and while he's more of a damn-the-torpedoes gunslinger, I'm ok with that. He had a good season this year, and in both of his seasons he's played reasonably tough competition nearly every week. Pro ready with on schedule performance vs. Bigger upside in addition to off script playmaking. I'd be happy with either guy. Edited March 20, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz 1
terrytate Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 Just FYI incarceratedbob is a fraud, but there is no doubt that I believe the two teams have had discussions.
P51 Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 8 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: It won’t be cheap but fortunately the Giants can’t get an offer better than that. It is a matter of whether or not the Giants are comfortable moving down. They hold some cards because they have a desirable pick. We hold some cards in that we have the best possible offer. Cheap it will not be, but some of these trade offers Im seeing arent realistic given the Jets trade, the Giants will leverage that increase in value, to what point I dont know, but I cant see them saying "Ok, the Colts got a 34% return for the 3rd pick to move down to 6+, we're good taking a 11% return to move 12+." The Bills do hold some cards. We very well may have the best offer, than its up to them, however, if the offer isnt good enough, its still up to them and they could just say its not good enough, we will take whomever. I do think there can be some middle ground that would be palatable for both teams, I hope for the Bills there is and someone like the Cardinals dont come knocking out of the blue.
Dr. Who Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, terrytate said: Just FYI incarceratedbob is a fraud, but there is no doubt that I believe the two teams have had discussions. I think most people know or suspect that, but this board would be really dull today without this thread. 1 minute ago, P51 said: I do think there can be some middle ground that would be palatable for both teams, I hope for the Bills there is and someone like the Cardinals dont come knocking out of the blue. I don't think the Cardinals can really match what we can offer without paying ridiculous amounts from future drafts.
DrDawkinstein Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 21 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: That's the problem. It does not matter who the Bills get at 2 if it were to happen as a number of heads will explode here based on the choice. It's unavoidable. I guarantee that there will "I quit this team" threads within hours of us making our selection if we choose at 2. Such is life on a message board. I myself, who doesnt like Jackson at all (for example), wouldnt complain if the Bills moved up to #2 and ended up picking him. I just want the Bills to identify what they think will be a Franchise QB, as there has to be at least 1 in this group, and then do what they have to do to go get him. I'll leave it to the experts to decide who that is. 1
Chandler#81 Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: They have to. What I think some need to reconcile and come to terms with is their expectations for 2018. They may take a step back and not be good and not be a playoff team this year. To me, at least, that is ok. I want to build the team for the long term. The previous regimes were forever building for the short term. If it means a bad season this year with the rookie, but you are able to actually be a perennial contender after that as you continue to build around your QB - that should be the goal. Not 9-7 squeezing into a WC with a limited, bridge type QB every so often but no long term plan for consistent success like the teams who compete in the playoffs year in and year out. Again, agree completely. Most people agree we were clearly the least talented team in a Playoff year featuring 8 new teams from the previous season. Our outrageous T/O differential and Dalton’s unlikely 4th Down pass squeaked is in. I don’t expect playoffs this year, yet I hold out hope. I do expect to clearly see the Mc/Beane stamp on this team that will encourage a long stay in Buffalo. The main thread in all perennial playoff teams is a FO which stays in the fold for years.
NewEra Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 4 hours ago, Xwnyer said: Way to expensive Its too expensive if the QB we pick sucks. If the qb we select turns out to be our QB for the next 15 years, then it’s a small price to pay. Who ever they select better the good. Steep price? Yes, but we’re talking about a QB.
Foxx Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Take this as you will i take it as Beane playing that 4D chess game again. he is tricking the Dolphins into trading up to the 2nd position. while all along he already has a trade in plce for the #1 overall with Cleveland. 1
T-Bomb Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 18 minutes ago, The Alpha Fire said: Not side show Bob again....smh Better than Bagdad Bob.
P51 Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: I think most people know or suspect that, but this board would be really dull today without this thread. I don't think the Cardinals can really match what we can offer without paying ridiculous amounts from future drafts. I dont see the Cardinals doing it either, but you never know, the Bears paid a ridiculous price to move up 1 spot last year. The need for a QB makes some GM's do crazy things. Maybe the Bronco's fall in love with 2 guys and pay the price to move up to #2, who knows with the draft, maybe the Giants can get Nelson, Chubb or Barkley at 5 and pick some extra assets and are good with that, better than moving down to 12 in their eyes possibly.
Domdab99 Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) More and more I’m wanting them to stay at 12 and take Jackson. There’s no reason he can’t be as good of a QB as any of the other QBs in this draft. Edited March 20, 2018 by Domdab99 2
DrDawkinstein Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Again, agree completely. Most people agree we were clearly the least talented team in a Playoff year featuring 8 new teams from the previous season. Our outrageous T/O differential and Dalton’s unlikely 4th Down pass squeaked is in. I don’t expect playoffs this year, yet I hold out hope. I do expect to clearly see the Mc/Beane stamp on this team that will encourage a long stay in Buffalo. The main thread in all perennial playoff teams is a FO which stays in the fold for years. My big thing is, we finally got the drought monkey off our backs. That crap is DONE. If we slide a little this year getting a rookie up to speed and re-tooling the D, then so be it. They bought themselves some rope with the playoffs last year. 3
BigBuff423 Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 45 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Then you would know it's not a "king's ransom". It's going rate for that type of move. Check the charts. It's one thing to not want to do something. It's another to say that it's not fair market value. First, a king's ransom has nothing to do with fair market value since by definition, a ransom paid for holding a king hostage...and in this case, the #2 spot...my point was that the #2 spot cost is apparently quite similar to that of the 1st spot and so if I'm going to make that trade, I go to #1 with no quibbles over whether I get the guy I want...I know I'm on the clock already and get whomever I'd like....also, IMHO it is over priced based on what Eagles gave up for Wentz: From ESPN when trade was made: "The Eagles sent five draft picks to the Browns: the No. 8 pick in the first round, a third-round pick (77th overall) and a fourth-round pick (100th overall) in this year's draft, a first-round pick in 2017 and a second-round pick in 2018. Cleveland also sends a fourth-round pick in 2017 to the Eagles." 2016: 8th overall 3rd Round pick 4th Round pick 2017: 1st round pick 2018: 2nd round pick Also received a 4th round pick from Cleveland along with #2 overall. In the cited scenario for the Bills: 2018: 2 1st round picks in this year - making it far more valuable than giving up a 1st next year, a 2nd and 3rd round THIS year, making them far more valuable than a 2nd round pick two years later and ANOTHER 2nd round pick in 2019, and this is the price that drives it over the top. Personally, if they're going to do it, the two 1st, one 2nd this year, and a 1st next year should be it. Next year the Bills will have about $100 million in Cap space, so they can afford to use FA as the main way to acquire talent. But this year, all the positions of need for the Bills are deep: DT / LB / QB (of course) / RB and they should be using that to their advantage, not giving really good, cheap players on Rookie contracts in a year when they're very close to expending all the money they have. Think of it what you will....but I'm done with this conversation.
Dr. Who Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Domdab99 said: More and more I’m wanting them to stay at 12 and take Jackson. There’s no reason he can’t be as good of a WB as any of the other QBs in this draft. I do think that is a plausible alternative strategy. I am assuming Darnold and Rosen will be gone, but it's possible any one of Mayfield, Allen, or Jackson will be there. If Mayfield drops past five, you could make a smaller deal to move up and grab him or wait for Jackson at twelve (I think he will be there.) 1
billykay Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 2 hours ago, JohnC said: If the Giants don't want to take a qb with their high pick some version of this deal would make a lot of sense for them. For Buffalo it would be a good deal because we have a bonus pick in the first, second and third round. So essentially we would still have the normal number of picks in most of the rounds. If the Giants squeeze us harder and demand a first round pick next year I would with a stone face (masking my happy face) say where do I sign? Lets say we move to #2. Does anyone think that it would be a good trade for us to move back to #3, especially if it seems that the Jets are panicking that they won't be getting their man? I think that we could wind up this way with our QB, perhaps Mayfield or Rosen, plus getting back some of the draft assets we lost in moving up to #2.
Franco_92 Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) I'd add more. Time to stop !@#$ing around, Buffalo Bills. Get your quarterback and build your team. I guarantee we won't be pissing and moaning 3 years from now about extra seconds/thirds when we're heading into a home AFC championship game. Even if it doesn't work, we still have a much greater chance of that in the near future if we make a move NOW for a qb like Rosen than if we wait another indeterminate amount of time, perpetually in a state of "that's too much" or "this qb class is weak, maybe next year". !@#$ing do it. Edited March 20, 2018 by arcane 2 1
Real McClappy Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 Giants would be fools not to take that offer if true. They can revamp everything they need in one draft.
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