BillsFan2313 Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: What if it was 3 1s but keep every other pick? Trying to work out how I feel about that as an option.... Done. I would actually prefer this, over giving up picks this year. We went 9-7 this past year, and filled some holes on D with Star, Murph and Davis. If we can have two 2nds and two 3rds to fill out more holes, I don't see why we can't have a similar record. McCarron or rookie QB being the wild card of course. 1
BillsFan17 Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 "We have to many holes" If we traded what ICB is suggesting, wed still have a pick in every round and would basically have a normal draft. If we have any shot at one or two you absolutely have to pull it off
GunnerBill Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: I used to have next years first as a dealbreaker as well but changed my mind recently. With all all the cap space we will have next year, we could fill a need with a free agent. Also because I think we can build off of last year so I am expecting (hope is probably the better word) that this pick will be in the middle 20’s. If I thought the Bills would regress and the first next year is top 12....I wouldn’t do it. I think Kirby's point, and it is a fair one, is that top flight DL rarely make free agency. I'd still prefer to do the deal as Kirby suggests.... but if they want my 2019 1st then I am willing to do it so long as I give up nothing else beyond those three 1st round picks.
BadLandsMeanie Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 They could be putting this out there, working together, to drive the price up for Gettleman. I don't know what we would get out of it but that is one possible reason we are seeing this. So other teams know they have to beat it it.
Lurker Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, nucci said: Blue collar, lunch pail, wing eating Buffalo guy, right? They still have a 2nd and 3rd in this draft....not advocating the trade but still have picks available I know, but I "love me some" second and third round picks, perhaps even more than first rounders. Those picks are the life blood of any good team, while first rounders often tend to be boom-bust coin flips that are easy enough to move on from. I want to protect those #53 and #65 picks like a momma bear, but realize the Giants also know how valuable they are and will put a gun to our head...
Boatdrinks Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I know that I sound like a broken record but I think that the 2019 1st is their best asset. That is the deal breaker for me. I’d keep loading the picks from this year. You are getting guys this year with those picks. You may get a star DL with that 2019 1st. The future #1 is definitely the one you want to hang onto so the rebuild can be executed. The Giants moving all the way back to 12 might be too much to ask without that pick. My guess is that any deal for the #2 pick includes the 2019 selection.
PromoTheRobot Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: "We have to many holes" If we traded what ICB is suggesting, wed still have a pick in every round and would basically have a normal draft. If we have any shot at one or two you absolutely have to pull it off ICB is guessing. He has sources like we do. I wish we'd stop giving that guy the attention.
SectionC3 Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I know that I sound like a broken record but I think that the 2019 1st is their best asset. That is the deal breaker for me. I’d keep loading the picks from this year. You are getting guys this year with those picks. You may get a star DL with that 2019 1st. It’s a fair point for sure. Personally I’d rather have the bird in the hand with the QB and buy the equivalent of a first round talent in FA with our cap space next year. My counter to your point (which, again, I respect) is that I’d rather have a a top end skill talent than a middle of the first round OL, LB, etc. This board debated the Sammy trade to death, but it’s inarguable that we acquired a $16/mil/year player for a CB and a C that I can’t even name. It was a big price to pay, but no nobody would flip Watkins for those two players.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 Just now, Boatdrinks said: The future #1 is definitely the one you want to hang onto so the rebuild can be executed. The Giants moving all the way back to 12 might be too much to ask without that pick. My guess is that any deal for the #2 pick includes the 2019 selection. 2 picks in the top 25 this year offsets that though. We are the only team looking to move up that can offer that.
Nihilarian Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, eball said: If you follow Daniel Jeremiah (I don't, but he's apparently a pretty dialed in draft analyst) he has Darnold ahead of Wentz (as a prospect) and Rosen just behind him. Both graded a rank 7, Wentz and Darnold. Geoff was an 8, Rosen is an 8. I dunno, I see more warts on this year's top two with that loopy throwing motion and the other with personality, durability issues. My take is that everyone sees what Wentz, Goff, and Deshaun Watson turned out like and now everyone is desperate to get one those guys. Except these men aren't those men. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000919918/article/daniel-jeremiahs-top-50-prospects-for-2018-nfl-draft-20 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000641197/article/daniel-jeremiahs-top-50-prospects-for-2016-nfl-draft Edited March 20, 2018 by Nihilarian
rodneykm Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 Could we change out the 22 this year for next years 1st? How would that change things?
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 My prediction about the QB's in this draft are that Mayfield and Falk will be the QB's that will be good top 10 QB talents. Im not sure about Darnold and Allen and QB's I wouldn't touch in the 1st rd would be Jackson, Rudolph and Rosen.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 Just now, rodneykm said: Could we change out the 22 this year for next years 1st? How would that change things? Worse. Future picks are degraded 1 round typically. 1
nucci Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Lurker said: I know, but I "love me some" second and third round picks, perhaps even more than first rounders. Those picks are the life blood of any good team, while first rounders often tend to be boom-bust coin flips that are easy enough to move on from. I want to protect those #53 and #65 picks like a momma bear, but realize the Giants also know how valuable they are and will put a gun to our head... Yeah, I agree....not sure what I would do. They obviously know who they want and have to determine how much to give up.
rodneykm Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said: Worse. Future picks are degraded 1 round typically. Gotcha
YoloinOhio Posted March 20, 2018 Author Posted March 20, 2018 21 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: His official combine weight was 226 lbs; there's no reason to question it. Probably just ate a lot of avocado toast before the weigh-in. Fake news. 1 1
BuffaloRebound Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 If I'm the Giants, I insist on next years 1st if I'm passing on a QB this year. 12, 22, and next years 1st should get it done, unless Jets are so desperate they'd give up next years 1st to move up a spot. 1
DrDawkinstein Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, rodneykm said: Could we change out the 22 this year for next years 1st? How would that change things? Next year's pick isnt as "valuable" point wise, but I want to hold onto it anyways because it will probably be a top 15 pick
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Chuck Wagon said: I'd much rather they take a swing then be yet another regime that settles in hopes of finding a diamond in the rough. I get it. A good bit of the fan base believes the franchise savior is in the top 3 QBs of the draft. I belive it’s historically unlikely and it feels a lot like they are buying into a sellers market. As as I said the good news is this move, if real, will be the inflection point of their careers one way or another. It’ll either go RG3 or it’ll go Eli or somewhere Drew Stafford ish.
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: Both graded a rank 7, Wentz and Darnold. Geoff was an 8, Rosen is an 8. I dunno, I see more warts on this year's top two with that loopy throwing motion and the other with personality, durability issues. My take is that everyone sees what Wentz, Goff, and Deshaun Watson turned out like and now everyone is desperate to get one those guys. Except these men aren't those men. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000919918/article/daniel-jeremiahs-top-50-prospects-for-2018-nfl-draft-20 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000641197/article/daniel-jeremiahs-top-50-prospects-for-2016-nfl-draft I agree with you 100%. I would like to see us trade back and pick up another 1st next year and see who falls to us this year. Wentz and Goff were two can't miss prospects, I only rate Mayfield in that area.
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