MarlinTheMagician Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 Two concussions and a rotator cuff. Shut down after six games in 2016. Shoulder surgery he characterized as "minor" - but who knows (I trust Beane to find out, hate to see a repeat of two years ago). I believe 6'4" but seriously question 225. Does not appear that thickly built. No thanks. He is a highly opinionated West Coast guy who I just can't see loving the cold, the snow, and, frankly. our town. He "treasures" playing in LA according to one interview. Read a lot about him, but who knows if accurate. Please no. 1
GunnerBill Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, JohnC said: If the Giants don't want to take a qb with their high pick some version of this deal would make a lot of sense for them. For Buffalo it would be a good deal because we have a bonus pick in the first, second and third round. So essentially we would still have the normal number of picks in most of the rounds. If the Giants squeeze us harder and demand a first round pick next year I would with a stone face (masking my happy face) say where do I sign? The question for me is if they ask for 3 1st rounders (2x 2018 and 1x 2019) how much else do I have to give up? If it is those three picks I think there is an argument for it being just those 3 picks. 1
SectionC3 Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 2 hours ago, rodneykm said: I'd be fine with the two 1sts this year but if I do that I wouldn't be willing to give up next years 1st. I wonder if next year’s first might be the price. That would be my counter if I was the Giants. Personally I would give up next year’s one and try to dilute the back end of our offer (eg, include the lower picks in the second and third rounds). But even if it takes next years one without that dilution I would make the trade today. We have the cap space to buy players next year in lieu of that pick, but we likely won’t have the capital to get a QB then. I assume this was Beanes design, and it was brilliant.
Chuck Wagon Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 11 minutes ago, MarlinTheMagician said: Two concussions and a rotator cuff. Shut down after six games in 2016. Shoulder surgery he characterized as "minor" - but who knows (I trust Beane to find out, hate to see a repeat of two years ago). I believe 6'4" but seriously question 225. Does not appear that thickly built. No thanks. He is a highly opinionated West Coast guy who I just can't see loving the cold, the snow, and, frankly. our town. He "treasures" playing in LA according to one interview. Read a lot about him, but who knows if accurate. Please no. We should probably suspend operations as a franchise until a QB from the Rust Belt comes around. 2
thebandit27 Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 1 minute ago, MarlinTheMagician said: Two concussions and a rotator cuff. Shut down after six games in 2016. Shoulder surgery he characterized as "minor" - but who knows (I trust Beane to find out, hate to see a repeat of two years ago). I believe 6'4" but seriously question 225. Does not appear that thickly built. No thanks. He is a highly opinionated West Coast guy who I just can't see loving the cold, the snow, and, frankly. our town. He "treasures" playing in LA according to one interview. Read a lot about him, but who knows if accurate. Please no. His official combine weight was 226 lbs; there's no reason to question it.
eball Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 2 hours ago, JXCOL3 said: The best part about this if it does happen is that we could potentially box out the jets from the QB they wanted. Which would make this trade that much better I don't know, I think it's a pretty safe bet that the QB the Jets want is the one nobody else does. 1
Nihilarian Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 1 minute ago, MarlinTheMagician said: Two concussions and a rotator cuff. Shut down after six games in 2016. Shoulder surgery he characterized as "minor" - but who knows (I trust Beane to find out, hate to see a repeat of two years ago). I believe 6'4" but seriously question 225. Does not appear that thickly built. No thanks. He is a highly opinionated West Coast guy who I just can't see loving the cold, the snow, and, frankly. our town. He "treasures" playing in LA according to one interview. Read a lot about him, but who knows if accurate. Please no. I agree. I would rather Darnold over Rosen. I hope they stay put or trade up slightly for Mayfield, Allen. Three firsts this year for a QB is a desperation move. I don't see a Wentz, Luck in those first two.
eball Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 I'm very torn about giving up that much, but I haven't done the research these guys have as to the QB they think will take us over the top. They had better be right.
Lurker Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Take this as you will I'd rather give up next year's #1 than this year's #53 and #65 and the 2019 #2. They need to plug holes NOW for a rookie QB. If they get no help in this year's draft, they'll be going down the same road that ruined so many other #1 QB picks, IMO...
nucci Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: We should probably suspend operations as a franchise until a QB from the Rust Belt comes around. Blue collar, lunch pail, wing eating Buffalo guy, right? Just now, Lurker said: I'd rather give up next year's #1 than this year's #53 and #65 and the 2019 #2. They need to plug holes NOW for a rookie QB. If they get no help in this year's draft, they'll be going down the same road that ruined so many other #1 QB picks, IMO... They still have a 2nd and 3rd in this draft....not advocating the trade but still have picks available
eball Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Nihilarian said: I agree. I would rather Darnold over Rosen. I hope they stay put or trade up slightly for Mayfield, Allen. Three firsts this year for a QB is a desperation move. I don't see a Wentz, Luck in those first two. If you follow Daniel Jeremiah (I don't, but he's apparently a pretty dialed in draft analyst) he has Darnold ahead of Wentz (as a prospect) and Rosen just behind him.
MarlinTheMagician Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 Just say no to Rosen. I trust them picking among the others, and even Rosen if he is their guy. I will be as big a fan as anyone if he is picked, but I think he gets broken in the NFL and has a high-risk of being a pain in the tail. And I think he would hate, hate being in Buffalo.
gobills1212 Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 13 minutes ago, Putin said: He already had 2 concussions ( if I’m not mistaken ) i forget which pundit it was - but they said most guys come out of college w at least 2 concussions (reported or not) fwiw
Kirby Jackson Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Lurker said: I'd rather give up next year's #1 than this year's #53 and #65 and the 2019 #2. They need to plug holes NOW for a rookie QB. If they get no help in this year's draft, they'll be going down the same road that ruined so many other #1 QB picks, IMO... I know that I sound like a broken record but I think that the 2019 1st is their best asset. That is the deal breaker for me. I’d keep loading the picks from this year. You are getting guys this year with those picks. You may get a star DL with that 2019 1st. 1
Mrbojanglezs Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 The Bills want Allen or Darnold is my guess.
GunnerBill Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: I know that I sound like a broken record but I think that the 2019 1st is their best asset. That is the deal breaker for me. I’d keep loading the picks from this year. You are getting guys this year with those picks. You may get a star DL with that 2019 1st. What if it was 3 1s but keep every other pick? Trying to work out how I feel about that as an option....
PromoTheRobot Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Take this as you will Yolo, it's ICB. If he right it's by coincidence.
BuffaloRebound Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 I don't think we'll have to pay a giant premium to trade up to #2. It's in the Giants interest as well to not let the Jets get the 2nd best QB.
Kirby Jackson Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 Just now, GunnerBill said: What if it was 3 1s but keep every other pick? Trying to work out how I feel about that as an option.... I don’t like it still personally. I’d rather 12, 22, 53, 56 & 2019 2nd. I think if they go up and get Rosen now and then Bosa/Oliver/Gary etc... with the 2019 1st they are heading in the right direction. I think that star DL are tough to get. They are probably 2nd only to QB in terms of scarcity. I’d give the picks this year and hope to hit at 65 (or 53/56) and 96. I’m assuming that the Bills will have to give 4 of their first 5 picks from this draft. That’s okay with me. 2
Royale with Cheese Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I know that I sound like a broken record but I think that the 2019 1st is their best asset. That is the deal breaker for me. I’d keep loading the picks from this year. You are getting guys this year with those picks. You may get a star DL with that 2019 1st. I used to have next years first as a dealbreaker as well but changed my mind recently. With all all the cap space we will have next year, we could fill a need with a free agent. Also because I think we can build off of last year so I am expecting (hope is probably the better word) that this pick will be in the middle 20’s. If I thought the Bills would regress and the first next year is top 12....I wouldn’t do it. 1
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