House Money: Why Beane will trade up & you should be fine with it

[#34fan]

7 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

I thought it got spanked...

 

 

I always thought were supposed to "shock" the monkey.

[transplantbillsfan]

38 minutes ago, #34fan said:

 

 

It's Hilarious that you think any of the "top rated QB's in this Draft are like Carson Wentz... Shows how in touch "with reality" you are...

 

Philly waited 17 years to take a QB in the 1st round. (McNabb was the last)... And in the end, It wasn't Wentz that won the Superbowl, it was 3rd round Journeyman Nick Foles.

 

Never mind that there was a solid supporting cast in place when Wentz did get there. (OT, WR, TE), ... Then they loaded up at other support positions like RB (Blount, Ajayi)

 

You think we're following their blueprint for success?

 

9 times out of 10 in 'monkey-see/ monkey do', the monkey gets it wrong.

 

So I'm out of touch with reality, huh?

 

Daniel Jeremiah recently compared his top 10 QB prospects from 2016-2018. His results were as follows:

 

10) Paxton Lynch

9) Deshone Kiser

8) Mitchell Trubisky 

7) Deshaun Watson 

6) Josh Allen

5) Baker Mayfield 

4) Jared Goff

3) Josh Rosen

2) Carson Wentz 

1) Sam Darnold 

 

I still argue Darnold, Mayfield and Rosen are worth trading up for... doesn't really look like I'm the one out of touch here

Edited March 25, 2018 by transplantbillsfan

[billsbackto81]

On 3/19/2018 at 8:14 PM, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

I completely recognize that.  The reward is worth the risk.

 

The possibility also exists we keep all 5 picks and we draft 5 disappointments.  Any draft pick is a risk.

I can appreciate you liking the risk. The Bills have been an embarrassment in the NFL for a decade and a half (excluding the drought breaker). But if they give up all that collateral and whiff? OH NELLIE!!! But if they nail the pick and go into next season with sizeable cap space the future looks extremely bright. Roll the dice Beane, go for it.

Edited March 26, 2018 by billsbackto81

[#34fan]

42 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

So I'm out of touch with reality, huh?

 

Daniel Jeremiah recently compared his top 10 QB prospects from 2016-2018. His results were as follows:

 

10) Paxton Lynch

9) Deshone Kiser

8) Mitchell Trubisky 

7) Deshaun Watson 

6) Josh Allen

5) Baker Mayfield 

4) Jared Goff

3) Josh Rosen

2) Carson Wentz 

1) Sam Darnold 

 

I still argue Darnold, Mayfield and Rosen are worth trading up for... doesn't really look like I'm the one out of touch here

 

What exactly is the basis for this comparison? -Draft grades? College stats?

 

Looks like he understands QB's about as much as you understand what the term "house money" means.

 

 

[Saxum]

On 3/19/2018 at 9:23 PM, Steve Billieve said:

 

It would be great if you could hedge your bet like that, but how many QBs can you actually keep on the roster.

Three and P5t5rman throws balls to DBs on other teams

 

[Saxum]

On 3/20/2018 at 6:15 AM, Magox said:

This concept of "house money" is silly.

 

Those are our assets that we traded for and they shouldn't be treated any differently than any other draft assets we own.

 

It is idiotic.

 

And comparing "house money" to,lotteries makes complete sense since lotteries are idiot taxes.

[Your Brown Eye]

Anyone else getting annoyed with the constant use of "draft capital"?  A couple years ago, it was finding a DE that "sets the edge". I feel like Bills fans get locked onto a phrase or term every draft and it's thrown around like a frog is the Kentucky sun.

[Boatdrinks]

These terms gain traction in the media and go in and out of fashion. The board is reflective of that. No more or less annoying than " draft picks " would be when you've read it 34 thousand times in the last month lol 

[gobills1212]

3 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

It's not nuts at all, actually.

 

You just seem a little out of touch with reality.

 

In order for the Eagles to move up from #8 to #2, it cost them their 1st, 3rd & 4th in 2016 PLUS their 1st in 2017 PLUS their 1st in 2018.

 

And it doesn't appear as though they mortgaged their future either considering... ya know... Super Bowl 

Sing it sister!!

[Saxum]

On 3/20/2018 at 12:55 PM, reddogblitz said:

 

Yet we were better at it than 20 other teams.

 

We must have been paying with "house wins".

[Saxum]

22 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

but damn... this waiting is gonna kill me!!!

Will this be a slow lingering death with lots of  whining and complaining or quiet peaceful one?  I can see advantages to the latter but the former has very differences from today.

14 hours ago, mannc said:

Cleveland’s not trading out of 4, either.  They don’t need or want more draft picks.

They can certainly trade for picks NEXT YEAR and keep the ball rolling.

[Saxum]

4 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

if Beane and McDermott don't get one of the 2 or 3 QBs they feel strongly about, this draft will be a failure.

 

In other words if they do not agree with you then they are washed up.

 

How many teams interviewed YOU for a front office position?  Hopefully the Jest and Phish have you on their call list?

 

If they do not trade up the teams they wanted to trade up for wanted to much or QBs available are not worth the picks.

 

[Wily Dog]

I think  Beane will go all in if a QB interests him. If you pansie,s that want to  take non QB's with the picks , you will be the first ones to holler if one of the top four turns out to be a franchise QB. I trust Beane and I think that no one knows which QB that they  want. Personally I would take Allen first  and let him set for a year. But , what do I know , I am like everyone else on the board with an opinion which doesn't mean a whole lot. We have the picks, go for it.

[Punt75]

On 3/19/2018 at 8:02 PM, John from Riverside said:

I am absolutely fine with it......just get A qb out of the 1st round of this draft.

 

Now is the time.

 

IF this GM & HC are in agreement to 'move up" for their guy - - I support them!!

[transplantbillsfan]

5 hours ago, #34fan said:

 

What exactly is the basis for this comparison? -Draft grades? College stats?

 

Looks like he understands QB's about as much as you understand what the term "house money" means.

 

Sooooo... just completely dismissing Jeremiah now because his grades don't line up with your own???

 

Agree or disagree, I bet he's watched more actual game tape of these guys than you... ya know... like he's been an NFL scout for a living...

 

but sure bro, tell everyone where these guys should really fall after you tell us how much NFL scouting experience you have

[transplantbillsfan]

4 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

In other words if they do not agree with you then they are washed up.

 

How many teams interviewed YOU for a front office position?  Hopefully the Jest and Phish have you on their call list?

 

If they do not trade up the teams they wanted to trade up for wanted to much or QBs available are not worth the picks.

 

Their draft strategy has been one of the most transparent draft strategies in years!

 

I'm sorry... call it a rush to judgement... but I think what I said is accurate.

[transplantbillsfan]

21 hours ago, VaMilBill said:

I agree. I think the Bills will sit at 12 and see where the draft falls. If one of the QBs we like is there at 7 I think we start gunning hard for that pick. TBH, I hope we don't cut any more deals with Indy after they screwed us. I know it's a business, but I want to see that franchise suffer now

 

Why 7?

 

The Colts, Broncos and Browns are all in play, too, I'd think.

[#34fan]

9 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Sooooo... just completely dismissing Jeremiah now because his grades don't line up with your own???

 

Agree or disagree, I bet he's watched more actual game tape of these guys than you... ya know... like he's been an NFL scout for a living...

 

but sure bro, tell everyone where these guys should really fall after you tell us how much NFL scouting experience you have

 

 Thanks! -I asked you a SIMPLE question, and you couldn't process it. My mistake.  #Housemoneyfordummies

 

 

 

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, #34fan said:

 

 Thanks! -I asked you a SIMPLE question, and you couldn't process it. My mistake.  #Housemoneyfordummies

 

Are you the new neighborhood troll?

 

18 hours ago, #34fan said:

 

What exactly is the basis for this comparison? -Draft grades? College stats?

 

Here was your question... here's what Jeremiah says directly about his rankings:

 

I always believe it's helpful during the evaluation process to rank the current group of prospects among the players at the position from the previous two drafts. I recently looked up the grades I gave to the quarterbacks in the '16 and '17 draft classes and I slotted them in with this year's crop of talent. Here's the order I have them in based on their draft grade.

 

 

So according to Jeremiah, who once again was an actual NFL scout, Darnold is a better NFL prospect than Wentz OR Goff was 2 years ago coming out of college and Rosen is a better prospect than Goff was.

 

Now, while there are never any guarantees, I think you'll find yourself on an island all alone if you believe trading up for a QB as good as or better than Wentz OR Goff is a bad idea.

[#34fan]

4 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Are you the new neighborhood troll?

 

 

Here was your question... here's what Jeremiah says directly about his rankings:

 

I always believe it's helpful during the evaluation process to rank the current group of prospects among the players at the position from the previous two drafts. I recently looked up the grades I gave to the quarterbacks in the '16 and '17 draft classes and I slotted them in with this year's crop of talent. Here's the order I have them in based on their draft grade.

 

 

So according to Jeremiah, who once again was an actual NFL scout, Darnold is a better NFL prospect than Wentz OR Goff was 2 years ago coming out of college and Rosen is a better prospect than Goff was.

 

Now, while there are never any guarantees, I think you'll find yourself on an island all alone if you believe trading up for a QB as good as or better than Wentz OR Goff is a bad idea.

 

  Puh -leaze... Jeremiah's been all over the place with his wacky rankings. Check out this top 10 ranking from a couple years back!

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000647484/article/top-10-quarterback-draft-prospects-since-2011

 

Sure, I might find myself on an Island... But unlike you,  I won't find myself at a casino using my personal credit cards as "house money".  

 

 

Edited March 27, 2018 by #34fan