gobills1212 Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I don't understand your question. credit for even figuring out it was a question! The '?' usually gives it away, but with the way the rest of it was i couldnt tell if it was intentional lol
without a drought Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 So you're saying there's a 10% chance we could get Jeff George. 1
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 18 minutes ago, Pete said: We stockpile 6 picks out of top 96 and want to trade almost all of them for 56% odds? On top of that this draft has a deep talent pool that will probably push into the 4th rd. I see our picks being more valuable this year because of the talent of players in it.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I don't understand your question. Apologies, I thought you were taking a side and making an argument based on the assertion of the thread. Yes, football is a team sport. Good point.
CountDorkula Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: On top of that this draft has a deep talent pool that will probably push into the 4th rd. I see our picks being more valuable this year because of the talent of players in it. and If you then get stuck with a S()*^ QB, none of that talent matters. Im not sure how people are confused by this, or so against it. The Bills have tried every which way possible but the QB for the last 15 Years. 1
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: and If you then get stuck with a S()*^ QB, none of that talent matters. Im not sure how people are confused by this, or so against it. The Bills have tried every which way possible but the QB for the last 15 Years. Because, Buffalo mentality
N.Y. Orangeman Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 39 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Stafford is a great example... costly to keep but never quite over the hump Fine if we insist on recycling this elementary school stat line: starting championship QBs- Picks 1-5 since 1990- 6% picks 6-32- 11.1% I prefer Super Bowl wins over appearances and probowls thanks. It seems to be resonating more than your rebuttal....
CountDorkula Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Apologies, I thought you were taking a side and making an argument based on the assertion of the thread. Yes, football is a team sport. Good point. Find me the 25 highest paid players in this "team" sport, 23 of them play the QB position. IS it, 23 teams have figured this out and the Bills are trying to get into the exclusive club, or the Bills are smarter than the rest of the league? 1
Hebert19 Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 1 hour ago, CountDorkula said: What about Andrew luck Carson Wentz Jared Goff Matt Ryan Mahomes Watson Trubisky Winston Mariota Newton Stafford Or do those guys not count since they don't fit your narrative? Let's take a deep dive here on the list. Luck - pretty good but honestly he hasn't performed near what everyone thought he would. Wentz - agree. He's the real deal. Goff - could be foles 2.0. Was absolutely terrible in one system and good when given the most weapons in the league. Can't say he's good yet. Matt Ryan - agree. Mahomes - crazy talk to say he's anything yet. Watson - looked good. But is he another Bradford that can't stay healthy. Who knows. Trubisky - wow. Not sure he was better than treat Edwards last year to be honest. Winston - I wouldn't trade any pick yo get him. He's horribly inconsistent. Mariota - under achieve much? again. No picks would be traded for him. Newton - agree...but he's not tier 1 Stafford - throws for 5k every year but can't win a playoff game. Of your list of trade picks in hindsight for 3. Maybe 4 of them.
CountDorkula Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 Just now, Hebert19 said: Let's take a deep dive here on the list. Luck - pretty good but honestly he hasn't performed near what everyone thought he would. Wentz - agree. He's the real deal. Goff - could be foles 2.0. Was absolutely terrible in one system and good when given the most weapons in the league. Can't say he's good yet. Matt Ryan - agree. Mahomes - crazy talk to say he's anything yet. Watson - looked good. But is he another Bradford that can't stay healthy. Who knows. Trubisky - wow. Not sure he was better than treat Edwards last year to be honest. Winston - I wouldn't trade any pick yo get him. He's horribly inconsistent. Mariota - under achieve much? again. No picks would be traded for him. Newton - agree...but he's not tier 1 Stafford - throws for 5k every year but can't win a playoff game. Of your list of trade picks in hindsight for 3. Maybe 4 of them. See above post, 23 highest paid players are QBs. Soon to be 25 of 25 after Goff and Wentz. Bills outsmarting everyone by not playing a QB or just really late to the party.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 Just now, CountDorkula said: Find me the 25 highest paid players in this "team" sport, 23 of them play the QB position. IS it, 23 teams have figured this out and the Bills are trying to get into the exclusive club, or the Bills are smarter than the rest of the league? I’d say of those 23, some are probably wise to do so because they QBs they have are worth it, raise the level of team play and put butts in seats and some are overpaying for mediocrity just to still put butts in seats. I think there is a clear tranche of QBs that out earn their performance. My point is and has always been QB is important but you can’t overpay or overdraft for a guy that is marginally better than what you can find more cost effectively 1
Hebert19 Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: See above post, 23 highest paid players are QBs. Soon to be 25 of 25 after Goff and Wentz. Bills outsmarting everyone by not playing a QB or just really late to the party. Never said bills strategy was correct just disputing that most of those bozos would be worth paying the ransom we will have to pay to get someone like them.
oldmanfan Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: See above post, 23 highest paid players are QBs. Soon to be 25 of 25 after Goff and Wentz. Bills outsmarting everyone by not playing a QB or just really late to the party. Who cares how much they get paid? So a lot of QBs are grossly overpaid because of their corresponding performance. Do you not understand it makes the exact opposite argument from what you think?
CountDorkula Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I’d say of those 23, some are probably wise to do so because they QBs they have are worth it, raise the level of team play and put butts in seats and some are overpaying for mediocrity just to still put butts in seats. I think there is a clear tranche of QBs that out earn their performance. My point is and has always been QB is important but you can’t overpay or overdraft for a guy that is marginally better than what you can find more cost effectively Taylor was cost effective, how did that work out? Kyle Orton, Cost effective, Kevin Kolb, cost Effective, Ryan Fitzpatrick, cost effective. Just now, oldmanfan said: Who cares how much they get paid? So a lot of QBs are grossly overpaid because of their corresponding performance. Do you not understand it makes the exact opposite argument from what you think? No it makes my argument, every other team is trying to build around QB, but fans here are trying to built 1980s lineman football. Also, who are the grossly overpaid? Weren't you all about Kirk Cousins?
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: Taylor was cost effective, how did that work out? Kyle Orton, Cost effective, Kevin Kolb, cost Effective, Ryan Fitzpatrick, cost effective. Taylor has a better record the last three years than Stafford or Rivers. But that’s not my point. Flacco was cost effective wilson was cost effective ben was cost effective rodgers was cost effective When you get into a bidding war & hope to throw picks or money at QB to fix it- it’s not the silver bullet folks make it out to be. 1
Tenhigh Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Blokestradamus said: I vote to oust McDermott and appoint Homer Simpson as coach. End of season meeting - "Well, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is; never try." It's worth thinking about. He (and Lisa) made a ton of money gambling on football, so he knows the sport. Also, I believe he had a short stint as owner of the Broncos (from Hank Scorpio), so he has that background as well. 1 1
oldmanfan Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: Taylor was cost effective, how did that work out? Kyle Orton, Cost effective, Kevin Kolb, cost Effective, Ryan Fitzpatrick, cost effective. No it makes my argument, every other team is trying to build around QB, but fans here are trying to built 1980s lineman football. Also, who are the grossly overpaid? Weren't you all about Kirk Cousins? Until saw he was going to get grossly overpaid.
CountDorkula Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 Just now, oldmanfan said: Until saw he was going to get grossly overpaid. SO you want a good QB, but don;t want to pay for one?
oldmanfan Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 13 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: Taylor was cost effective, how did that work out? Kyle Orton, Cost effective, Kevin Kolb, cost Effective, Ryan Fitzpatrick, cost effective. No it makes my argument, every other team is trying to build around QB, but fans here are trying to built 1980s lineman football. Also, who are the grossly overpaid? Weren't you all about Kirk Cousins? Here's another grossly overpaid guy. Bradford with the cards. 20 million for a guy who is always hurt. Teams don't pay so much because they want to build around a QB. They pay out of desperation.
CountDorkula Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 Just now, oldmanfan said: Here's another grossly overpaid guy. Bradford with the cards. 20 million for a guy who is always hurt. Teams don't pay so much because they want to build around a QB. They pay out of desperation. This makes zero sense, team A desperately tries to find a QB and possibly overpays for one because they may not want to build around him?
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