Solomon Grundy Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 19 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: Read the scouting report I posted! Works exclusively under shotgun Was not asked to read progressions much Didn’t look past first read very often Very high rate of snaps were option runs What's particularly scary is this kid ran a lot and when he did run his throw percentage went from 59.15 down to 42%. Russell Wilson, he is not! Louisville runs a spread offense, one or two reads and run. There is a world of difference between that and what most NFL teams run. According to Ourlads, Petrino ran multiple pro concepts not a one/two reads and run concept. Here's the link http://www.ourlads.com/ncaa-football-depth-charts/depth-chart/louisville/90958
BadLandsMeanie Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 He is not very accurate. I would like a quarterback who is accurate with the ball.
Nihilarian Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 3 hours ago, the skycap said: According to Ourlads, Petrino ran multiple pro concepts not a one/two reads and run concept. Here's the link http://www.ourlads.com/ncaa-football-depth-charts/depth-chart/louisville/90958 Yes, many sites say that Bobby Petrino ran a complicated offense at Louisville. That simply means different sets mostly all out of a shotgun formation like three wide receiver sets, two back sets, single back. A lot of run/pass options. The fact remains Jackson wasn't under center which is considered more of an actual pro-style scheme. Also, most all the scouting reports I've come across state that Jackson typically made one or two reads and then ran. "Typically gets through reads 1 and 2 before halting progressions. Pocket awareness has room for improvement. Move accuracy on rollouts and scrambles is poor. Highly inaccurate with throws on the move throughout the 2017 season. Underthrown deep balls allow cornerbacks to play the ball. Lacks touch over the heads of middle linebackers into intermediate pockets. Turnover total still too high." http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/lamar-jackson?id=2560053 Watch the vid, weakness...accuracy, anticipation, progressions. You simply can't be a second late in the NFL with a pass.
Solomon Grundy Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Nihilarian said: Yes, many sites say that Bobby Petrino ran a complicated offense at Louisville. That simply means different sets mostly all out of a shotgun formation like three wide receiver sets, two back sets, single back. A lot of run/pass options. The fact remains Jackson wasn't under center which is considered more of an actual pro-style scheme. Also, most all the scouting reports I've come across state that Jackson typically made one or two reads and then ran. "Typically gets through reads 1 and 2 before halting progressions. Pocket awareness has room for improvement. Move accuracy on rollouts and scrambles is poor. Highly inaccurate with throws on the move throughout the 2017 season. Underthrown deep balls allow cornerbacks to play the ball. Lacks touch over the heads of middle linebackers into intermediate pockets. Turnover total still too high." http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/lamar-jackson?id=2560053 Watch the vid, weakness...accuracy, anticipation, progressions. You simply can't be a second late in the NFL with a pass. Just watched video and the first play showed accuracy and anticipation! The "analyst" in this video criticizes Lamar for throwing a pass that gained 15 yards because he didn't throw it where he thought it should have went. That's like saying no to shooting a three point shot until it goes in the basket. This video also shows how "offensive" his line actually was, hence the scrambling. How is receivers let him down dropping passes, which affects his comp.pct. and the complicated route patterns he had to decipher. At the end he calls him a future star. That is what we want as a Bills fan, isn't it? Oh, I forgot to mention the sit behind Blake Bortles line.....really? Edited March 20, 2018 by the skycap
Buffalo Ballin Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) We're staying at 12 and selecting Lamar Jackson. The number 12 pick is Jim Kelly's number for you mystical number fanatics. He naturally falls to us right there. In about 2 years, Lamar will be the best from this class. Plus by not trading up, we get top guys to develop on the defensive end to become a perennial top 3 defense. Edited March 20, 2018 by Buffalo Ballin
DCOrange Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 5 hours ago, Nihilarian said: Yes, many sites say that Bobby Petrino ran a complicated offense at Louisville. That simply means different sets mostly all out of a shotgun formation like three wide receiver sets, two back sets, single back. A lot of run/pass options. The fact remains Jackson wasn't under center which is considered more of an actual pro-style scheme. Also, most all the scouting reports I've come across state that Jackson typically made one or two reads and then ran. "Typically gets through reads 1 and 2 before halting progressions. Pocket awareness has room for improvement. Move accuracy on rollouts and scrambles is poor. Highly inaccurate with throws on the move throughout the 2017 season. Underthrown deep balls allow cornerbacks to play the ball. Lacks touch over the heads of middle linebackers into intermediate pockets. Turnover total still too high." http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/lamar-jackson?id=2560053 Watch the vid, weakness...accuracy, anticipation, progressions. You simply can't be a second late in the NFL with a pass. Not to suggest that it isn’t an issue, but literally none of this year’s QBs work under Center much. Allen and Rosen probably did it the most of anyone and that was only like 10-20% of playcalls. A lot of these guys took roughly 0 snaps under center outside of maybe goal line situations.
Nihilarian Posted March 20, 2018 Posted March 20, 2018 35 minutes ago, the skycap said: Just watched video and the first play showed accuracy and anticipation! The "analyst" in this video criticizes Lamar for throwing a pass that gained 15 yards because he didn't throw it where he thought it should have went. That's like saying no to shooting a three point shot until it goes in the basket. This video also shows how "offensive" his line actually was, hence the scrambling. How is receivers let him down dropping passes, which affects his comp.pct. and the complicated route patterns he had to decipher. At the end he calls him a future star. That is what we want as a Bills fan, isn't it? Oh, I forgot to mention the sit behind Blake Bortles line.....really? Notice at the end he criticises him for being a second late with a pass and he did that often last year. At the NFL level, those passes will result in turnovers. He is a future NFL star if you have the patience to develop him properly and set up an offense to suit him. The problem is it may take a year or more and the end result might not be what you want. He is a gamble and hence his grade of 5.9. Like Josh Allen, Jackson has a very high ceiling if he is allowed to develop properly and he has the coaches to set it all up for him. Like Allen, Jackson had to it all himself last year with a bad line, bad receivers. Both their grades are very similar and both come with risk is all I've been saying. The kid has flaws that the scouts think can be fixed.
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