Fetou Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: I think the Dolphins may want Mayfield. Definitely heard Arizona may like him. I know (newly retired) Bruce Arians supposedly loves him. I think the trade with Cincy happened for multiple reasons. But... Could part of the reason be that Beane wanted to trade up in front of Arizona? (Although I think that is likely even if Jackson isn't the target, simply because Arizona is definitely in the QB market). There is so much uncertainty in the draft order. IMO Mayfield is going to the Jets at 3. 1. CLE - Darnold 2. NYG or Trade - Rosen 3. NYJ - Mayfield 4. CLE - Barkley 5. DEN - ??? 6. IND - Chubb From there it's harder to project. 1
Foxx Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Pete said: I am hoping we can get him at 22. After the big 4 are off the board- that leaves 18 selections before 22. There are many damn good football players outside the QB position- I think there is a shot Jackson slides that far. And didn't Vick go top 5? Jackson is better then VIck in his prime. I would be happy if we Jackson is a Bill really? he hasn't even set one foot on NFL turf and he is already better than Vick (in his prime)? this might just be slightly delusional Edited March 18, 2018 by Foxx
Pete Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 Just now, Foxx said: really? he hasn't even set one foot on NFL turf and he is already better than Vick? this might just be slightly dilussional have you seen him play? He is faster, and is a better passer
Fetou Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 Just now, Foxx said: really? he hasn't even set one foot on NFL turf and he is already better than Vick? this might just be slightly dilussional According to Vick himself. Although I do take that with a grain of salt, but that is likely where the narrative is coming from
CuddyDark Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 If you have a win now mentality take Jackson. In a three to five year window Jackson is most likely to win now. 1
Foxx Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Pete said: have you seen him play? He is faster, and is a better passer i've watched him some, yes. what he has done in college will not necessarily translate to the pro environment. 1 minute ago, Fetou said: According to Vick himself. Although I do take that with a grain of salt, but that is likely where the narrative is coming from gotcha, thanks.
BillsFan4 Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Fetou said: There is so much uncertainty in the draft order. IMO Mayfield is going to the Jets at 3. 1. CLE - Darnold 2. NYG or Trade - Rosen 3. NYJ - Mayfield 4. CLE - Barkley 5. DEN - ??? 6. IND - Chubb From there it's harder to project. The order QBs are drafted in is usually pretty hard to predict. Unless there are 1 or 2 clear cut can't miss QB prospects and not much after that (like in the Winston and Mariota draft, or Goff/Wentz). This year there really is no clear cut #1 rated QB. It looks to be a very deep QB draft and It seems to be a group of 3, 4 or even 5 that are at the top. So your guess is as good as mine... Although I think either Rosen or Allen go to the NYJ, and Mayfield to either Denver or Miami. That's my best guess as of now.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: Then why did he bring Daboll here? ...sincere apology for the confusion bud....you know your stuff so let me attempt to rephrase.......my opinion (usually flawed) is that the offensive scheme is a collaborative effort between Mc Beane, McD and McDaboll......assuming TT and Jackson are of similar styles and that Jackson is an upscale TT, does the trio like the "style" first and foremost (ie. mobility attribute)?...was TT excluded from the plan because his SUBSTANCE fell short ala a consistently threatening passing game when called upon?....does Jackson's perceived upscale nature fill that void to where style is fine but his substance fits their bill versus keeping TT?.....I'm probably as clear as mud regarding my question so I'm here to claify... Edited March 18, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy
Teddy KGB Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 47 minutes ago, Fetou said: To me you either like him and get him 12 at the latest or don't draft him at all. I’d side with not at all. Pick 12 on a project is a huge reach
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 59 minutes ago, Fetou said: How enraged will Bills fans be if the Bills trade up to 5 and take him? I would love to see the reactions! Not going to happen, the Jets will take him at 3 and look like fools.
Real McClappy Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 This is not to boost Jackson but a honest question. Have the Bills ever had a Heisman trophy winner before?
Real McClappy Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 16 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...sincere apology for the confusion bud....you know your stuff so let me attempt to rephrase.......my opinion (usually flawed) is that the offensive scheme is a collaborative effort between Mc Beane, McD and McDaboll......assuming TT and Jackson are of similar styles and that Jackson is an upscale TT, does the trio like the "style" first and foremost (ie. mobility attribute)?...was TT excluded from the plan because his SUBSTANCE fell short ala a consistently threatening passing game when called upon?....does Jackson's perceived upscale nature fill that void to where style is fine but his substance fits their bill versus keeping TT?.....I'm probably as clear as mud regarding my question so I'm here to claify... TT might have been the mold they wanted all along and why they let him play last year? IDK, TT left way to many plays on the field slip by and the McD system did not agree with it any longer. I'm excited to see which direction we go on 4/26 and will buy into what they do.
Bills4life1924 Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: This is not to boost Jackson but a honest question. Have the Bills ever had a Heisman trophy winner before? Doug Flutie won the heisman award! He was a nominee in '83 and won it in '84 Edited March 18, 2018 by Bills4life1924
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 39 minutes ago, Foxx said: i've watched him some, yes. what he has done in college will not necessarily translate to the pro environment. gotcha, thanks. His game will translate if coaches don't try and make him something he's not. The only question I have is can he stay healthy. He has to avoid contact.
McBean Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 If Bills draft Jackson or Allen it will be the worst move this team has made since taking Knee J Manuel. 1
Real McClappy Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Bills4life1924 said: Doug Flutie won the heisman award! TY-TY I googled Bruce and there was a Bruce Smith for the Viks that won it in 1941. Sorry off topic but was interesting. 1
Bob Chandler's Hands Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: This is not to boost Jackson but a honest question. Have the Bills ever had a Heisman trophy winner before? Some guy named OJ Simpson won it in 1968 and I believe he played for the Bills at one point. 2
Fetou Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 9 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Not going to happen, the Jets will take him at 3 and look like fools. All that matters in the long run is the outcome. If Rosen somehow falls past 4 I hope the price comes down enough to make a move.
Mopreme Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 I don't have a problem with Jackson at 12 but rather not trade up into the top 5 to get him. That's too much. Then at 22, perhaps trade down and load up on more picks or pick best available linebacker. However, I am hoping that they sign Will Compton for mike role, looks like another diamond in the rough like Hyde and Poyer from last year. I like how Beane is getting guys on the cheaper side who have some starting experience and moving them into full time starting roles.
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