For all who want to trade up so bad

[transplantbillsfan]

We have 6 picks in the 1st 3 rounds.

 

We can afford to trade up to get our guy, especially if it's to the #4 pick or lower.

 

I think Mayfield would be that guy

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

You left out the results they have had since drafting Wentz.

 

They won't make a guy who doesn't finish the season the MVP.  But you are diverting off point, again.  Who else is questioning the payoff/value/results of the Wentz pick except you?

 

Who?, Anyone who:

 

1) isn’t into spurious correlation 

 

2) understands that the eagles won a super and went 5-1 without Wentz 

 

3) understand the young potential talent they won’t have will start causing major cap issue and Wentz will need to lift the team beyond that to sustain success, which he has yet to prove he can do. 

 

But irrespective of all this Jets look like they are taking your approach, I’ll hope Beane to to be more forward thinking. Root for who you will. 

 

 

Edited March 18, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Mr. WEO]

What talent that they "won't have" will cause a major cap issue?

 

All your gibberish aside, let's see if there is one simple question you can answer directly: who should the Eagles start on week 1 next year, assuming both are in 100% good health?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, MOVALLEYRANDY said:

Nothing personal but you may be the worst debater on this site. Just  Keep digging your hole deeper and deeper. 

Never mind Terrytale just beat 29 years for worst debater

Would the Eagles rescind the Wentz trade if given the option to go ack in time. Of course not Great trade. One of the best trades in years.

On the Jets

 

Worst debater?  Love how poeple need to resort to that.

 

Go master debater:

 

Explain the merits of the Wentz trade... Best trade in years? Please explain. Show me how it’s done...

 

 

[Reed83HOF]

14 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

We have 6 picks in the 1st 3 rounds.

 

We can afford to trade up to get our guy, especially if it's to the #4 pick or lower.

 

I think Mayfield would be that guy

depends how much we get bent over the barrel from the Jets trade...

39 minutes ago, inaugural balls said:

In your mind, what pick do we need to rise to and what price (picks) are you willing to pay?

I just have this hunch that weed to go to pick 4-6 for NYG. What we pay will depends on what team we go to and if we are willing to give up a player or 2. It could get messy, best case is we give up both 1, 1-2 and 1-3 this year and possibly lose a 1and/or 2 next year...

 

As I type this I wonder if what causes some hesitation for Beane is moving Shady or even Tre with this and he wants to be 10000% in on I am assuming Rosen

[stinky finger]

6 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

depends how much we get bent over the barrel from the Jets trade...

I just have this hunch that weed to go to pick 4-6 for NYG. What we pay will depends on what team we go to and if we are willing to give up a player or 2. It could get messy, best case is we give up both 1, 1-2 and 1-3 this year and possibly lose a 1and/or 2 next year...

 

As I type this I wonder if what causes some hesitation for Beane is moving Shady or even Tre with this and he wants to be 10000% in on I am assuming Rosen

 

Ouch!

 

Awfully pricey. I'm not interested in such a deal. Would you pay it?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

What talent that they "won't have" will cause a major cap issue?

 

All your gibberish aside, let's see if there is one simple question you can answer directly: who should the Eagles start on week 1 next year, assuming both are in 100% good health?

 

Oh - I see now You’re starting a completely different topic now.

 

I'm arguing it’s too way early to assess if Wentz was worth what they gave up, and that he played a secondary at best role in their championship run so that can’t be a centerpiece of justification- and thus it’s open still. 

 

You now are still failing to counter that and are flipping it to not only weather he should start but if his injury magically disappears too.... Which isn’t relevant. But to appease you, They gave up a truckload of picks for him, of course they have to start him, they bet the franchise on him. See how this works? 

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Oh - I see now You’re starting a completely different topic now.

 

I'm arguing it’s too way early to assess if Wentz was worth what they gave up, and that he played a secondary at best role in their championship run so that can’t be a centerpiece of justification- and thus it’s open still. 

 

You now are still failing to counter that and are flipping it to not only weather he should start but if his injury magically disappears too.... Which isn’t relevant. But to appease you, They gave up a truckload of picks for him, of course they have to start him, they bet the franchise on him. See how this works? 

 

 

LOL---yes. I sure do.

[Reed83HOF]

35 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

First off, that wasn't the way the Bills operated under Ralph Wilson's ownership.  Profit was always more important than winning.  I think that after some fumbling around, the Pegulas seem to have decided that they want to build a winner.  Commitment to winning means that the team's brain trust has to draft smart, including not picking a QB just to pick a QB.  We don't know which QBs, if any, the Bills FO covet enough to move up. 

 

Maybe the Bills deferred because they didn't like the QBs available.  Mahomes and Watson have made all of 8 starts in the NFL together.  The jury is still out on them.

I agree - RW is cheap. I'm convinced it's Rosen - if you look at what Beane wants in a QB - it's him.

 

They deferred because McD was running the draft and he didn't trust the scouts & Whaley. His approach was to kick the can to this year after Beane came in and the replaced the scouting dept. He wasn't going to take a risk with a FO who was being shown the door.

 

If they took Watson or Mahomes last year, it would cost us no extra picks and is the equivalent of just one player busting out.  Problem is they backed themselves into a corner right now in regards to QB. The cannot afford to half-ass it; that also doesn't mean reach, but it means to aggressively fix it - which is not kicking the can down the road, which is what we as a franchise continually do...

 

 

[JerseyBills]

8 hours ago, RPbillsfan said:

The majority of posters seem to want to employ a strategy of trading most of our picks for the right to draft "a franchise QB".

 

The Jets just made a move that almost ensures additional years of losing football with a young QB playing short handed with a weak roster and all the expectations in the world.  No offensive weapons to use, poor offensive line, holes all over the front 7 on defense.

 

The Bills are now in a position to do the opposite, draft to fill the roster with young cost-controlled players to add to the talent base they have.

 

Six picks in the first 96. Chance to get QB, LB, CB, DT, OL and WR.  Why would you choose the pathway the Jets are taking which pretty much ensures competition with the Dolphins for last place in the AFC East.

 

Love to read your thoughts on this.

Thank you for this! I've been saying this exact same sentiment. 

Plus , it's year 2 of the regime, they've had massive roster turnover. This is a great opportunity for the Bills to further lay the foundation of the roster they envisioned. 

Beane says 2 things consistently- he wants a consistent winner and you do that by building through the draft.

Well ,Mr Beane has the opportunity to do both those things. Ppl on here are treating draft picks like they grow on trees! Our GM values those picks and I'd be shocked if he threw away so many picks. I'd rather have average QB play and a great overall roster,than very good QB play with a Swiss cheese roster.

You win in today's NFL by building great TEAMS, not collection of talent.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

LOL---yes. I sure do.

 

Doesnt mean it was the right trade. ?

Edited March 18, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Reed83HOF]

13 minutes ago, inaugural balls said:

 

Ouch!

 

Awfully pricey. I'm not interested in such a deal. Would you pay it?

 I would go all in this year to go to 2 and keep next year's picks at all costs. We have $100 in cap space next year and if we have a full draft with our top QB, I can live with it. We blew one draft during a tear down....Obviously this is if we are really convinced on this one player, if you are - go all-in...

[SoTier]

2 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

I agree - RW is cheap. I'm convinced it's Rosen - if you look at what Beane wants in a QB - it's him.

 

They deferred because McD was running the draft and he didn't trust the scouts & Whaley. His approach was to kick the can to this year after Beane came in and the replaced the scouting dept. He wasn't going to take a risk with a FO who was being shown the door.

 

If they took Watson or Mahomes last year, it would cost us no extra picks and is the equivalent of just one player busting out.  Problem is they backed themselves into a corner right now in regards to QB. The cannot afford to half-ass it; that also doesn't mean reach, but it means to aggressively fix it - which is not kicking the can down the road, which is what we as a franchise continually do...

 

 

 

You know for a fact that the Bills deferred because McDermott "didn't trust the scouts & Whaley" despite the fact that the Bills took an OT and a WR in the 2nd round?   Both Mahomes and Watson had serious enough flaws that made them risky picks even at #10, and since they've only started 8 between them, nobody knows whether either or both are keepers or busts. 

 

[RFL]

8 hours ago, Pete said:

Or draft Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott, Russel Wilson, Nick Foles, Jimmy Garroppolo, etc outside round 1

Yeah that Brady guy was pick #199.....what a hot mess he turned out to be......imagine picking him

[RPbillsfan]

4 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

Thank you for this! I've been saying this exact same sentiment. 

Plus , it's year 2 of the regime, they've had massive roster turnover. This is a great opportunity for the Bills to further lay the foundation of the roster they envisioned. 

Beane says 2 things consistently- he wants a consistent winner and you do that by building through the draft.

Well ,Mr Beane has the opportunity to do both those things. Ppl on here are treating draft picks like they grow on trees! Our GM values those picks and I'd be shocked if he threw away so many picks. I'd rather have average QB play and a great overall roster,than very good QB play with a Swiss cheese roster.

You win in today's NFL by building great TEAMS, not collection of talent.

I think that two QB's go before pick number 6.  Darnold to Cleveland and Rosen to the Jets. Giants go RB, Browns at 4 are open for trade. Does Arizona come up from 15 and get the 3rd QB?.  If so Broncos and Colts take Nelson/Chubb to fulfill big holes in their rosters.  Now let's play the guessing game:

 

1.  If Arizona trades up, who do they prefer, Allen, Mayfield or Jackson.  If it's Jackson the Bills should trade from 12 to 7 and give pick 56 to go get the best LB in the draft in Tremaine Edmunds.  If Arizona goes Allen or Mayfield, then stay at 12 because here is how I think picks 7-11 will go.

 

7 Tampa Bay - Needs in secondary and part rush, Denzel Ward best CB, Marcus Davenport best edge player.  Because they are developing Noah Spence on the edge I'm guessing they go with the CB in Denzel Ward

 

8 Chicago - Used free agency to add targets for young QB.  Have needs on OL

and defensive front 7.  Best player available is Tremaine Edmunds who gives the Bears a potentially great inside LB to match up OLB/Edge Rush Leonard Floyd.

 

9 San Francisco - Needs are at WR, as Goodwin and Garcin are ok but not elite, and S.  LB is in play with the legal issues with Reuben Foster.  Lost Eric Reid in free agency or will soon so I'm seeing S Derwin James as a great fit based on best player available at a position of need.

 

10 Oakland - Front 7 on D issues, need sideline to sideline LB and help in the secondary.  Made some moves in free agency to shore up both positions but Roquan Smith is available and a perfect fit for the Raider defense.

 

11 Miami - Needs all over, brought in two slot receivers to replace Jarvis Landry, brought in pieces to help O line after losing Mike Pouncey.  My thought is big hole at DT with the cutting of Suh.  I believe Vita Vea is the pick here.  Lots of talk about Mayfield here but they just adjusted Tannehills contract and back loaded it so I feel they have him for two more years and my guess is Mayfield gets selected by Arizona when they trade up.

 

12 Buffalo - Stay put and run the card to the podium to select Lamar Jackson to be our answer at QB.  Of all the highly rated quarterbacks I believe his skill set plays well in today's NFL.  Had great college coaching, lots of snaps under center, had complex offense at Louisville with an emphasis on using the RPO style of offense that I believe Brian Daboll wants to run here.

 

Here are my picks without comment on picks 13-21

 

13 Washington- Marcus Davenport

14 Green Bay - Cortland Sutton

15 Cleveland - Mike McGlinthy (replacement for Joe Thomas)

16 Baltimore - Calvin Ridley (with Crabtree and John Brown signings could go RB)

17 LA Chargers - DeRon Payne

18 Seattle - Isaiah Oliver

19 Dallas - DJ Chark

20 Detroit - Darrius Guice

21 Cincinnati - James Daniels

 

22 Buffalo - LB Leighton Vander Edge, love this pick as the new QB of the McDermotts defense, big at 6'4", 256, speed at 4.58, athletic and explosive with 39.5 inch vertical jump and under 6.9 second 3 cone drill.  game tape matches combine measurable.  Smart and cerebral and will be awesome addition to our roster.

 

Thoughts and comments always welcome

 

[Reed83HOF]

1 hour ago, SoTier said:

 

You know for a fact that the Bills deferred because McDermott "didn't trust the scouts & Whaley" despite the fact that the Bills took an OT and a WR in the 2nd round?   Both Mahomes and Watson had serious enough flaws that made them risky picks even at #10, and since they've only started 8 between them, nobody knows whether either or both are keepers or busts. 

 

There was whole article I just read...I have to look for it again...I think it was one of the well known draft writers who did an interview on WGR who went over the shitshow. FWIR, Whaley was pushing Mahomes and McD thought he could win with TT, and Terry sided with McD. Apparently he felt more comfortable with Tre from what he heard aboput while in Carolina....Watson I give you and with Houston you never really know. Andy Reid, may not be a great playoff HC, but he has built very capable offenses and has done very well with QBs. KC dumping Smith and loading tools around him, plus the conviction to move up and grab last year surly says something...no?

[LABILLBACKER]

13 hours ago, TheBeane said:

Great post... Things could be worse and I think we are still in a very good position to draft a QB and fill our roster. No reason to panic.

Exactly. The OP is right. There's no need to panic. We just moved up all the way to 12 and it cost us very little. The booty of picks are still in the treasure chest. If the Giants want to be reasonable then give them an offer after you see who Cleveland takes @ 1. I still think Lamar can be had @ 12, then start filling your roster. Don't get caught up by the chicken or the egg strategy.

[Reed83HOF]

5 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Exactly. The OP is right. There's no need to panic. We just moved up all the way to 12 and it cost us very little. The booty of picks are still in the treasure chest. If the Giants want to be reasonable then give them an offer after you see who Cleveland takes @ 1. I still think Lamar can be had @ 12, then start filling your roster. Don't get caught up by the chicken or the egg strategy.

But Lamar is NOT the player at all that Beane talks about as a franchise QB; in fact the opposite...

[JerseyBills]

27 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said:

I think that two QB's go before pick number 6.  Darnold to Cleveland and Rosen to the Jets. Giants go RB, Browns at 4 are open for trade. Does Arizona come up from 15 and get the 3rd QB?.  If so Broncos and Colts take Nelson/Chubb to fulfill big holes in their rosters.  Now let's play the guessing game:

 

1.  If Arizona trades up, who do they prefer, Allen, Mayfield or Jackson.  If it's Jackson the Bills should trade from 12 to 7 and give pick 56 to go get the best LB in the draft in Tremaine Edmunds.  If Arizona goes Allen or Mayfield, then stay at 12 because here is how I think picks 7-11 will go.

 

7 Tampa Bay - Needs in secondary and part rush, Denzel Ward best CB, Marcus Davenport best edge player.  Because they are developing Noah Spence on the edge I'm guessing they go with the CB in Denzel Ward

 

8 Chicago - Used free agency to add targets for young QB.  Have needs on OL

and defensive front 7.  Best player available is Tremaine Edmunds who gives the Bears a potentially great inside LB to match up OLB/Edge Rush Leonard Floyd.

 

9 San Francisco - Needs are at WR, as Goodwin and Garcin are ok but not elite, and S.  LB is in play with the legal issues with Reuben Foster.  Lost Eric Reid in free agency or will soon so I'm seeing S Derwin James as a great fit based on best player available at a position of need.

 

10 Oakland - Front 7 on D issues, need sideline to sideline LB and help in the secondary.  Made some moves in free agency to shore up both positions but Roquan Smith is available and a perfect fit for the Raider defense.

 

11 Miami - Needs all over, brought in two slot receivers to replace Jarvis Landry, brought in pieces to help O line after losing Mike Pouncey.  My thought is big hole at DT with the cutting of Suh.  I believe Vita Vea is the pick here.  Lots of talk about Mayfield here but they just adjusted Tannehills contract and back loaded it so I feel they have him for two more years and my guess is Mayfield gets selected by Arizona when they trade up.

 

12 Buffalo - Stay put and run the card to the podium to select Lamar Jackson to be our answer at QB.  Of all the highly rated quarterbacks I believe his skill set plays well in today's NFL.  Had great college coaching, lots of snaps under center, had complex offense at Louisville with an emphasis on using the RPO style of offense that I believe Brian Daboll wants to run here.

 

Here are my picks without comment on picks 13-21

 

13 Washington- Marcus Davenport

14 Green Bay - Cortland Sutton

15 Cleveland - Mike McGlinthy (replacement for Joe Thomas)

16 Baltimore - Calvin Ridley (with Crabtree and John Brown signings could go RB)

17 LA Chargers - DeRon Payne

18 Seattle - Isaiah Oliver

19 Dallas - DJ Chark

20 Detroit - Darrius Guice

21 Cincinnati - James Daniels

 

22 Buffalo - LB Leighton Vander Edge, love this pick as the new QB of the McDermotts defense, big at 6'4", 256, speed at 4.58, athletic and explosive with 39.5 inch vertical jump and under 6.9 second 3 cone drill.  game tape matches combine measurable.  Smart and cerebral and will be awesome addition to our roster.

 

Thoughts and comments always welcome

 

I can get on board with everything Bills related. I'm not knowledgeable enough on cfb players to even post a mock but I definitely like the idea of sitting back or moving up to a spot that doesn't deplete all our draft capital, if it means drafting a highly coveted player.

 

My whole stance on QB is that you can ask 10 different members who have CFB knowledge and a case can be made for all of the big 5. I'm sure it's the same if you ask GM's and scouts,so I just don't see the justification in throwing away such quality draft capital when we can sit back , still get a QB , plus add 4-6 top 100 prospects. That's a recipe for short n long term success imo. 

 

Not blowing your load on one player who has just as many question marks as the next QB, that doesn't equate to consistent success , or the team this young,bright staff has envisioned for the Bills.

Edited March 19, 2018 by JerseyBills

[Thurman#1]

14 hours ago, RPbillsfan said:

The majority of posters seem to want to employ a strategy of trading most of our picks for the right to draft "a franchise QB".

 

The Jets just made a move that almost ensures additional years of losing football with a young QB playing short handed with a weak roster and all the expectations in the world.  No offensive weapons to use, poor offensive line, holes all over the front 7 on defense.

 

The Bills are now in a position to do the opposite, draft to fill the roster with young cost-controlled players to add to the talent base they have.

 

Six picks in the first 96. Chance to get QB, LB, CB, DT, OL and WR.  Why would you choose the pathway the Jets are taking which pretty much ensures competition with the Dolphins for last place in the AFC East.

 

Love to read your thoughts on this.

 

 

The Jets strategy may cause them problems the next two to three years. Us using that strategy would mean no franchise QB which would mean lots of 7-9 or 8-8 seasons until we get one, which could be a decade if we're very unlucky.

 

If they absolutely can't get one this year, trade back for picks next year and plan to draft somebody then.

 

We had a pretty good roster except for QB in Nix's last year and Whaley's first. What did it get us?