transplantbillsfan Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 Doubt it. most important offseason in maybe 35 years. Anything short of finding our QB for the next 10-15 years is a failure with all the jockeying in the draft Beane has done in the last year. Even Beane’s public comments were more liberal about trading up in the draft in his PC the other day. Somewhere in the top 12 we’ll draft a QB. My Dad and I just bet lunch on it today. That’ll be a good meal
Tcali Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 4 hours ago, billsfan11 said: One good year, 5 years ago?... Hasn't started in 3 years he only played four yrs. his rookie yr was fine. his 2 BAD yrs were with crap teams. I always liked the guy. He was a star in his 2nd yr in the league. And he came in and finished up last season and roared thru it both regular season and playoffs as a star. He is already ahead of what eli accomplished 2 hours ago, BadLandsMeanie said: That is your narrative. And it isn't balanced as I see it. I see it as Foles was clutch. See Tony Romo for a great QB who was not clutch. And Foles played very well against elite competition. And he won in the Super Bowl defeating the greatest dynasty we have had so far, lead by the greatest coach, and arguably the greatest QB. And he did it in a shootout. Not by being a game manager. And if the offense was so simplified, why couldn't Bellichick neutralize it? And of he is just the product of the great team around him., how do we know Wentz is so special? right on 1
BillsFan130 Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 19 minutes ago, Tcali said: he only played four yrs. his rookie yr was fine. his 2 BAD yrs were with crap teams. I always liked the guy. He was a star in his 2nd yr in the league. And he came in and finished up last season and roared thru it both regular season and playoffs as a star. He is already ahead of what eli accomplished Foles has been in the league for 6 years and only has 39 career starts in those 6 seasons. ( 4 or 5 of them were because the starter was hurt as well) He had 1 good year which was 5 years ago, and even then he only played 13 games. If you like him, that’s fair enough and that’s your opinion. But he hasn’t proved that he is consistent successful starter in the NFL yet. That part is a fact.
Doc Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: Foles has been in the league for 6 years and only has 39 career starts in those 6 seasons. ( 4 or 5 of them were because the starter was hurt as well) He had 1 good year which was 5 years ago, and even then he only played 13 games. If you like him, that’s fair enough and that’s your opinion. But he hasn’t proved that he is consistent successful starter in the NFL yet. That part is a fact. And...the rookies have? And you'd be spending far more to get one of them.
BillsFan130 Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 Just now, Doc said: And...the rookies have? And you'd be spending far more to get one of them. Oh no I wasn’t saying that if that was your argument . But in saying that, I would rather draft a rookie than have Foles. 1. I don’t think Foles will ever play like he did in the playoffs again. 2. The rookie will be a lot cheaper in terms of salary 3. Rookie will be a lot younger 4. I would prefer a rookies upside/chances to be a consistent NFL starter compared to Foles who was a backup for the past 2.5 seasons and probably will be again next year . (Assuming the rookie is drafted in the top 5)
gobills1212 Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Tcali said: he only played four yrs. his rookie yr was fine. his 2 BAD yrs were with crap teams. I always liked the guy. He was a star in his 2nd yr in the league. And he came in and finished up last season and roared thru it both regular season and playoffs as a star. He is already ahead of what eli accomplished right on Bad years on bad teams... I don't think we know where the Bills will shake out next year but their roster is closer to the Chiefs than Eagles. I respect you like the guy, but hope and pray you don't expect the Bills to turn into the Eagles if he were to come here... 27 minutes ago, Doc said: And...the rookies have? And you'd be spending far more to get one of them. No, but there in lies the disconnect. One more time, a blue chipper could be the next Kelly for this team. Foles ceiling has essentially been established. If the rookie turns into 'the guy' 5 Foles couldn't equal him. I'd venture to guess many Foles guys liked Taylor. You essentially have that in AJ now. Safe. Ever wonder how the list of qbs on the dummy jersey in Cleveland got so long? Among other things, giving too many Nick Foles type guys the reigns. IF this FO LOVES a guy, I feel they've earned the right to go get him should they choose. Lord knows we've tried every other way to get a guy. Mid to low 1st, mid rd, late rd, other teams back ups, other teams cast offs, free agents who haven't gotten a chance.. but never going up and getting THEIR top rated guy in a qb strong year. At least you can't really be proven wrong, bc at the end of the day it's pretty safe to say the Foles ship has sailed. Edited March 19, 2018 by gobills1212
Tcali Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 37 minutes ago, gobills1212 said: Bad years on bad teams... I don't think we know where the Bills will shake out next year but their roster is closer to the Chiefs than Eagles. I respect you like the guy, but hope and pray you don't expect the Bills to turn into the Eagles if he were to come here... No, but there in lies the disconnect. One more time, a blue chipper could be the next Kelly for this team. Foles ceiling has essentially been established. If the rookie turns into 'the guy' 5 Foles couldn't equal him. I'd venture to guess many Foles guys liked Taylor. You essentially have that in AJ now. Safe. Ever wonder how the list of qbs on the dummy jersey in Cleveland got so long? Among other things, giving too many Nick Foles type guys the reigns. IF this FO LOVES a guy, I feel they've earned the right to go get him should they choose. Lord knows we've tried every other way to get a guy. Mid to low 1st, mid rd, late rd, other teams back ups, other teams cast offs, free agents who haven't gotten a chance.. but never going up and getting THEIR top rated guy in a qb strong year. At least you can't really be proven wrong, bc at the end of the day it's pretty safe to say the Foles ship has sailed. the eagles were 7-9 just a yr ago. they arent the 84 niners
gobills1212 Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Tcali said: the eagles were 7-9 just a yr ago. they arent the 84 niners A lot changes in a year, as we know. They became an elite team last year. It's a copy cat league and it sure seems like the Bills are taking steps to follow in their footsteps. Pointing this out does little besides make an argument against the point you are trying to make. Foles wasn't the one who set em up last year. He simply knocked em down. Not nothing, but not a building block either. In fact, the Eagles have the exact same predicament we are debating. Talented young rookie, or stick w their backup. They know who buttered their bread last year... Edited March 19, 2018 by gobills1212
Punt75 Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 19 hours ago, BuffaloRush said: I think they are ok with AJ as starter, as long as there’s a rookie QB waiting to take over. That’s why there’s no way the Bills don’t draft a 1st round QB. gobills1212 Rookie Members 74 269 posts Report post Posted 4 minutes ago 10 minutes ago, Punt75 said: Tell SHAW66 this!!!! Haha, ive tried. Those foles guys are a persistant bunch with hearts of gold who never give up or crumble under pressure. They'd prob say the same about Foles himself
Doc Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 24 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: Oh no I wasn’t saying that if that was your argument . But in saying that, I would rather draft a rookie than have Foles. 1. I don’t think Foles will ever play like he did in the playoffs again. 2. The rookie will be a lot cheaper in terms of salary 3. Rookie will be a lot younger 4. I would prefer a rookies upside/chances to be a consistent NFL starter compared to Foles who was a backup for the past 2.5 seasons and probably will be again next year . (Assuming the rookie is drafted in the top 5) 14 minutes ago, gobills1212 said: One more time, a blue chipper could be the next Kelly for this team. Foles ceiling has essentially been established. If the rookie turns into 'the guy' 5 Foles couldn't equal him. I'd venture to guess many Foles guys liked Taylor. You essentially have that in AJ now. Safe. Ever wonder how the list of qbs on the dummy jersey in Cleveland got so long? Among other things, giving too many Nick Foles type guys the reigns. IF this FO LOVES a guy, I feel they've earned the right to go get him should they choose. Lord knows we've tried every other way to get a guy. Mid to low 1st, mid rd, late rd, other teams back ups, other teams cast offs, free agents who haven't gotten a chance.. but never going up and getting THEIR top rated guy in a qb strong year. At least you can't really be proven wrong, bc at the end of the day it's pretty safe to say the Foles ship has sailed. We'll agree to disagree. I've seen too many "blue chippers" fail, and that's without their teams having to trade tons of good draft picks away to get them. 1
formerlyofCtown Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 19 hours ago, BuffaloRush said: You Doug Whaley is that you? Because the author of that response has no idea how to build a team Whaley just couldn't get along with others. I can't wait for the guy that is evaluating our GMs draft success to get to Whaley. This bored is gonna self destruct. Wether some of the posters on this bored like it or realize it. Last year's draft was Doug Whaley's. Not to mention the free agents he signed. He was a QB away from building consistent contender. However with that being said I have faith in Beane and the others to make the right decision. We have a strong group of football minds. A lot of future GMs.
BillsFan130 Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 33 minutes ago, Doc said: We'll agree to disagree. I've seen too many "blue chippers" fail, and that's without their teams having to trade tons of good draft picks away to get them. Yes sir we’ll have to on this one. And you’re definitely right about that a lot do fail, no argument there
gobills1212 Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Doc said: We'll agree to disagree. I've seen too many "blue chippers" fail, and that's without their teams having to trade tons of good draft picks away to get them. And doc you aren't wrong.... I've maintained I'm for a trade up at all costs if there is a guy they love. They have shown nothing but competence. They have earned the right imo to take their shot. If they are wrong, it could be their jobs. Personally I feel better about these 2 making a decision of that magnitude than any of the other bozos that have come through. If they don't love a guy and just feel like they have to take a guy to take a guy... well that's where problems arise. I think we don't see eye to eye that Foles is the answer. You have him on a pedestal but I haven't heard what you think in regards to him being in the right situation and why if he is the guy, hasn't any one paid a 1 and 4 for their answer? He is there for the taking for any team that wants him. I maintain that Foles and AJ might be very close. I'd then get it if you wanted them to ride him and see how he shakes out. It's the Foles over everyone else part I don't understand.
Tuco Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 5 hours ago, Adam said: If we picked him up and he forced using the franchise tag, I'd be thrilled So would I. But what if he doesn't? What if he leads us to a non-stellar 8-8 season and still wants to be a free agent at the end of the year? Do we use the franchise tag at $23+ million? Or do we let him walk? In which case I sure hope we didn't give the stated asking price of a 1st and 4th. Sure we could swing and miss with a rookie too. But even if we do we have him for at least 4 years at $3-$5 million to see where it goes. My whole point is if we're going to trade for Foles and let him play the year before we decide to re-sign him, he'd better come a lot cheaper than a 1st and 4th this year. 1
keepthefaith Posted March 19, 2018 Posted March 19, 2018 It's awfully expensive pick-wise to move up to #2. If you use the draft value chart (who the heck makes up those numbers anyway?) you're talking the 2 firsts and 2 seconds. You're giving up a lot of very good potential players for the opportunity to draft a QB that might turn out great and might not. If you're the Bills' brass you better love the guy you can get at 2 compared to those available later in the round and he better pan out.
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