bobobonators Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 On 3/17/2018 at 8:57 PM, BeefCurtns said: How dare you make sense!? You sir are a trouble maker with your forward thinking. Expand The Giants drafting the best RB prospect at #2 since Adrian Peterson is also making sense; especially if they think Eli can give them 2 more years.
Fetou Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 On 3/17/2018 at 9:03 PM, Reed83HOF said: Tre White should be on the block too... Expand Why?
CuddyDark Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 On 3/17/2018 at 9:06 PM, Fetou said: Why? Expand Because WGR told them the only thing that matter is QB.
Wayne Cubed Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 On 3/17/2018 at 9:02 PM, CuddyDark said: I've said the same thing consistently. Expand No, you haven’t. Your first comment was about them wanting to trade to 12 for their guy, that that’s been the target all along. Now your taking about how they rank the top 15 or 12. How the heck does Beane know for a fact, enough to give up a LT and draft capital, that their guy will be there at 12? What if he’s not? There are 11 other teams picking in front of the Bills.
Reed83HOF Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 On 3/17/2018 at 9:06 PM, Fetou said: Why? Expand QB>>CB and any other position for that matter If picks aren't enough and you need to give talent up - all should be on the block On 3/17/2018 at 9:08 PM, CuddyDark said: Because WGR told them the only thing that matter is QB. Expand no the last 22 years without a QB has provided us more then enough data to show that QB trumps all...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 On 3/17/2018 at 4:45 PM, jrober38 said: I agree. If we have to give up both first, both seconds, and next year's first, I'd do it. The Bills have plenty of ammo to trade up - just depends on if they'll pull the trigger. Expand jrob....thats too much...for Peyton manning or Andrew luck, yes. For Rosen or Mayfield, no.
Fetou Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 On 3/17/2018 at 9:09 PM, Reed83HOF said: QB>>CB and any other position for that matter If picks aren't enough and you need to give talent up - all should be on the block Expand Tre White is one of the only top-end franchise value players that the Bills have. CB is one of those positions that needs a cornerstone player, that is worth a massive contract. We have a young, top-end performer on a cheap rookie deal. In the NFL, you don't trade those types of players for picks.
Beast Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 On 3/17/2018 at 9:02 PM, bobobonators said: Based on the price the Jets paid to move up 3 picks, the Giants are well within their right to ask for our 2 firsts and second rounder this year, and next year’s first, to move up from 12 to 2. If theyre THAT into a QB than its worth it. But if theyre split between a couple of QB’s then its not. A QB will be there at 12. Expand Yep. Reminds me of 2004. Manning, Rivers and Roethlisberger go. The Bills refused to pay Houston what they wanted to move up ahead of Pittsburgh to take Big Ben because there was another guy we could take. That worked well.
N.Y. Orangeman Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 On 3/17/2018 at 9:02 PM, bobobonators said: Expand Without a franchise QB, you have a limited chance of sustained success in the NFL. Give up the farm to move up and let Beane continue to earn his reputation in filling out the hole such a move creates.
Reed83HOF Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 On 3/17/2018 at 9:13 PM, Fetou said: Tre White is one of the only top-end franchise value players that the Bills have. CB is one of those positions that needs a cornerstone player, that is worth a massive contract. We have a young, top-end performer on a cheap rookie deal. In the NFL, you don't trade those types of players for picks. Expand It is for #2 or #1 to grab a top shelf QB.... Can always buy a corner with our $100 million next year; cannot buy a franchise QB On 3/17/2018 at 9:14 PM, Binghamton Beast said: Yep. Reminds me of 2004. Manning, Rivers and Roethlisberger go. The Bills refused to pay Houston what they wanted to move up ahead of Pittsburgh to take Big Ben because there was another guy we could take. That worked well. Expand Exactly. Those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it...You don't F around with QB 1
thebandit27 Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 On 3/17/2018 at 9:14 PM, Binghamton Beast said: Yep. Reminds me of 2004. Manning, Rivers and Roethlisberger go. The Bills refused to pay Houston what they wanted to move up ahead of Pittsburgh to take Big Ben because there was another guy we could take. That worked well. Expand What was the real failure: trading up for JP, or not drafting another first round QB for 9 years? Be aggressive; get it wrong in perpetuity until you get it right
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 Two things are going to happen now 1- We move to 2 now. As in literally today or tomorrow and we reset this thing and the Jets are back in a bad spot. We again look great and will have either Rosen or Darnold or 2- We wait and another team jumps up to 2 that will not trade out with us. Then we will completely screwed over but then play it off like none of these QBs are that good. We will settle for some low level trash like we did with JP and EJ. We will force that guy in and some point and just waste another few years. Move up now! Today was bad.
Rico Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 On 3/17/2018 at 9:17 PM, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Two things are going to happen now 1- We move to 2 now. As in literally today or tomorrow and we reset this thing and the Jets are back in a bad spot. We again look great and will have either Rosen or Darnold or 2- We wait and another team jumps up to 2 that will not trade out with us. Then we will completely screwed over but then play it off like none of these QBs are that good. We will settle for some low level trash like we did with JP and EJ. We will force that guy in and some point and just waste another few years. Move up now! Today was bad. Expand I vote for #1.
Meatplow Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 On 3/17/2018 at 5:01 PM, Brianmoorman4jesus said: There is no advantage for the Bills in waiting. Literally zero. The sooner the better and cheaper. Do it today before a team like Miami or Denver gets there. Then we are done. There is no possible reason to wait. Expand There absolutely is a reason to wait. Say they already have a gentlemens agreement with the Giants that depends on what the Browns do at #1?!
Reed83HOF Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 On 3/17/2018 at 9:17 PM, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Two things are going to happen now 1- We move to 2 now. As in literally today or tomorrow and we reset this thing and the Jets are back in a bad spot. We again look great and will have either Rosen or Darnold or 2- We wait and another team jumps up to 2 that will not trade out with us. Then we will completely screwed over but then play it off like none of these QBs are that good. We will settle for some low level trash like we did with JP and EJ. We will force that guy in and some point and just waste another few years. Move up now! Today was bad. Expand Shhouldn't even be a choice...go to 2 now
Fetou Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) On 3/17/2018 at 9:21 PM, Reed83HOF said: Shhouldn't even be a choice...go to 2 now Expand It is definitely a choice. You never handicap yourself into a corner. The Jets just blew up the market for the top picks. We are way beyond what the Eagles gave up in value to get Wentz. I have been a proponent of trading up, but things have changed dramatically now. Edited March 17, 2018 by Fetou
BillsVet Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 Whatever happened to "trust the process?" Not seeing immediate action doesn't translate to them sitting on their hands. I've never seen so much QB angst here. Still, there's no way OBD isn't aware they need a top level QB for next season and beyond. Worrying about it won't improve anything.
JoeF Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 Beane likely has to make two moves if the Bills want "their guy" if there is a "their guy". Gettleman won't want to drop all the way to 12. Beane knows this and likely has the structure in place to make both deals. Offer Tampa 1-12, 2-21 and 3-32 for 1-7 -- this is a 12% overpayment. Offer NY Giants - 1-7, 1-22, and the topper, 1-2019 for 1-2. This represents a 26% overpayment if you calculate next year's #1 at 1000 points and Vegas oddsmakers are expecting the Bills to regress and finish in the bottom quartile. Bills still have 2-24 and 3-1. Beane said something interesting yesterday. He said patience is the key ...they let the UFA QB market play out and ended up getting McCarron on the cheap. Let everyone else make their moves and see what plays out in the draft. Make the Tampa trade late to scare the pants off everyone else. Bills have an advantage because none of the other teams have second first rounder this year to deal so he will be in good position and then see how the draft plays out. Be willing to part with next year's #1 because that's what you do if you are convinced that you are getting a franchise QB and take solace in the fact that you have a ton of cap space next year to fill any 2019 holes. Bills will never be in a better position than this year. This team is on the rise and the floor is likely not drafting in the top 10 for the near future. I have confidence he will get this done. 1
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