K-9 Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 On 4/19/2018 at 6:04 PM, Buffalo Barbarian said: The Giants ? Expand Yep. 1
DCOrange Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 On 4/19/2018 at 5:57 PM, DrDawkinstein said: When there is only 1 good QB you arent trading up for him. No one but the Colts had a shot at Luck. No one but the Panthers had a shot at Newton. The only way you can make that work is to be 2-14 the year before (so you are wishing for the Bills to lose from now on), or hope that the team at #1 overall is making a repeat appearance there and already has a QB. But that is not likely. If there are 2 QBs, you'll have to trade up to #2, and that is going to cost you just as much as it does now, but you'll be using all future picks and selling out your franchise instead of using the picks we acquired. Your scenario doesnt make sense. It's just wishful thinking that isnt based in reality. There has never been, and there will never be, a better time than right now. Expand It makes perfect sense. Again, I'm not saying that Buffalo should wait until 2019 to trade up. I'm saying that due to how many good prospects there are this year, in my opinion, you can get a QB in the 7-12 range of the draft that's just as good a prospect as the one you're getting at #2 or #4. Basically all of the media scouts agree with that take; I'm not even remotely alone in that line of thinking. Regarding the hypothetical that it's impossible to trade up in a year where there are only a couple good QB prospects, that was disproven no longer than two years ago and the Luck draft proved it as well. But again, I'm not advocating that Buffalo should kick the can down the road and try to trade up another year. I'm saying that Buffalo can spend 2 picks to get a guy like Mayfield, Rosen, or Lamar in that 7-12 range versus spending 4 or 5 picks to get Darnold/Allen in the top 4. I don't think the latter group is worth 2-4 times more than the former group.
DrDawkinstein Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) On 4/19/2018 at 6:08 PM, DCOrange said: It makes perfect sense. Again, I'm not saying that Buffalo should wait until 2019 to trade up. I'm saying that due to how many good prospects there are this year, in my opinion, you can get a QB in the 7-12 range of the draft that's just as good a prospect as the one you're getting at #2 or #4. Basically all of the media scouts agree with that take; I'm not even remotely alone in that line of thinking. Regarding the hypothetical that it's impossible to trade up in a year where there are only a couple good QB prospects, that was disproven no longer than two years ago and the Luck draft proved it as well. But again, I'm not advocating that Buffalo should kick the can down the road and try to trade up another year. I'm saying that Buffalo can spend 2 picks to get a guy like Mayfield, Rosen, or Lamar in that 7-12 range versus spending 4 or 5 picks to get Darnold/Allen in the top 4. I don't think the latter group is worth 2-4 times more than the former group. Expand Buffalo spent 2 picks to trade up for Losman instead of 5 picks to get Rothlisberger. How'd that work out? There is a drop off in talent between each tier. On 4/19/2018 at 6:09 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: Expand Let us try to make that mistake, Dave! Edited April 19, 2018 by DrDawkinstein 1 2
K D Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 On 4/19/2018 at 6:12 PM, DrDawkinstein said: Buffalo spent 2 picks to trade up for Losman instead of 5 picks to get Rothlisberger. How'd that work out? There is a drop off in talent between each tier. Expand yea but in this case the Rosen/Mayfield tier is better AND cheaper
K-9 Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 On 4/19/2018 at 6:08 PM, DCOrange said: It makes perfect sense. Again, I'm not saying that Buffalo should wait until 2019 to trade up. I'm saying that due to how many good prospects there are this year, in my opinion, you can get a QB in the 7-12 range of the draft that's just as good a prospect as the one you're getting at #2 or #4. Basically all of the media scouts agree with that take; I'm not even remotely alone in that line of thinking. Regarding the hypothetical that it's impossible to trade up in a year where there are only a couple good QB prospects, that was disproven no longer than two years ago and the Luck draft proved it as well. But again, I'm not advocating that Buffalo should kick the can down the road and try to trade up another year. I'm saying that Buffalo can spend 2 picks to get a guy like Mayfield, Rosen, or Lamar in that 7-12 range versus spending 4 or 5 picks to get Darnold/Allen in the top 4. I don't think the latter group is worth 2-4 times more than the former group. Expand Much of this makes sense, but we have to also consider the market demand for QBs in any given year as well. In a cooler market, the odds of landing a blue chipper in the 7-12 range are far better than the chances of getting on in that range in a hot market. There is an unusual amount of demand for QBs at the top of the draft this year. So much so, the Jets secured their place at the table well in advance.
DrDawkinstein Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 On 4/19/2018 at 6:14 PM, kdiggz said: yea but in this case the Rosen/Mayfield tier is better AND cheaper Expand Well, I dont agree with DCOrange's tiers. Looks like there is a Big 4 (Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Mayfield) then Tier 2 (Jackson/Rudolph) then Tier 3 (Luletta, etc). I want our choice of Big 4. I dont want to wait for leftovers. I want THE guy.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 On 4/19/2018 at 6:09 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: Expand Sounds like Barkley.
Fadingpain Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 Have we not heard reports that the Giants are off on taking a QB and that they still want to give Eli some time? If that is their thinking, it would make all the sense in the world for them to trade down, get extra picks, and probably still get who they want in this QB rich draft. We neatly slide into #2 and take Darnold, after the Browns stupidly take Josh Allen, and we all laugh at the Browns being the Browns. Isn't that how it's going to go down? 1
K D Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 On 4/19/2018 at 6:17 PM, Fadingpain said: Have we not heard reports that the Giants are off on taking a QB and that they still want to give Eli some time? If that is their thinking, it would make all the sense in the world for them to trade down, get extra picks, and probably still get who they want in this QB rich draft. We neatly slide into #2 and take Darnold, after the Browns stupidly take Josh Allen, and we all laugh at the Browns being the Browns. Isn't that how it's going to go down? Expand I think teams would laugh at us for giving up all of those picks to get Darnold who is not better than Rosen or Mayfield. At this point I think we should try and get to pick 5 knowing we will get one of those guys and keep some of our picks
DCOrange Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 On 4/19/2018 at 6:15 PM, K-9 said: Much of this makes sense, but we have to also consider the market demand for QBs in any given year as well. In a cooler market, the odds of landing a blue chipper in the 7-12 range are far better than the chances of getting on in that range in a hot market. There is an unusual amount of demand for QBs at the top of the draft this year. So much so, the Jets secured their place at the table well in advance. Expand Of course, but there's countless reports at this point that a guy like Rosen is likely to slide, perhaps as far as out of the top 10 entirely. Certainly the Bills can get one of the top 5 QBs in the 7-12 range and there's a good chance they'll have multiple options depending on where in that range they settle in.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 On 4/19/2018 at 5:36 PM, Buffalo Barbarian said: Schaffer just said on NFL live that the Giants haven't had ANY meaningful discussions about trading the 2nd overall pick. Expand Because, naturally, they'd loop him right in if they had
DrDawkinstein Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 On 4/19/2018 at 6:20 PM, DCOrange said: Of course, but there's countless reports at this point that a guy like Rosen is likely to slide, perhaps as far as out of the top 10 entirely. Certainly the Bills can get one of the top 5 QBs in the 7-12 range and there's a good chance they'll have multiple options depending on where in that range they settle in. Expand You cant believe any "report". Glenn was more of a Guard too, right? No way is Rosen sliding out of the top 10. It is way more liekly we see 4 QB picked in the first 6 picks. That is the market this year. Nothing should be counted as "certainly".
BillsFan17 Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 Gettleman is the worst poker player. Its Darnold or Barkley... possible if blown away hell trade, but highly unlikely its out of the top ten.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 On 4/19/2018 at 6:23 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: Because, naturally, they'd loop him right in if they had Expand Of course
DCOrange Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 On 4/19/2018 at 6:23 PM, DrDawkinstein said: You cant believe any "report". Glenn was more of a Guard too, right? No way is Rosen sliding out of the top 10. It is way more liekly we see 4 QB picked in the first 6 picks. That is the market this year. Nothing should be counted as "certainly". Expand You really don't think we can count on at least 2 of the first 6 picks being non-QBs?
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