thenorthremembers Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 10 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Several general managers I spoke to believe there is still ample opportunity for the Giants and Bills to make a move – Bills general manager Brandon Beane worked under Gettleman in Carolina for a spell – and no one is convinced that the Bills are done wheeling and dealing. "Brandon is trying like hell to get up and get a quarterback," said one general manager who has spoken to Beane recently. "I'm convinced he'll trade up twice more if he has to. It reminds me of (Eagles general manager) Howie (Roseman) a few years ago (when he was moving up to land Carson Wentz)." Of course. Gettleman isn't interested in dropping all the way back to 12th overall, where the Bills currently sit after their trade with the Bengals. But if Beane can split the difference somewhat, then odds are quite good the Bills and Giants could be trade partners. If, say, the Broncos aren't convinced there is a quarterback worth taking at the fifth spot, that would be a perfect launching point for Beane. And that would be a sweetspot for Gettleman. "If Beane gets the five, I know he can get to two," said the general manager who has been in contact with Beane. If you get to #5 and trade up again the targets have to be Allen, Darnold, or Rosen. I love Mayfield, but I can't imagine he is the target if the Bills are trying like hell to get to 2.
26CornerBlitz Posted April 2, 2018 Author Posted April 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: If you get to #5 and trade up again the targets have to be Allen, Darnold, or Rosen. I love Mayfield, but I can't imagine he is the target if the Bills are trying like hell to get to 2. I'm with you this.
BillsFan17 Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: If you get to #5 and trade up again the targets have to be Allen, Darnold, or Rosen. I love Mayfield, but I can't imagine he is the target if the Bills are trying like hell to get to 2. Getting the sense that if Beane gets to five, he'll have a sort of comfort level taking Mayfield if they arent in fact able to get up any higher. Like you said tho, you try to get to second overall for one of Darnold, Rosen or Allen.
thenorthremembers Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: Getting the sense that if Beane gets to five, he'll have a sort of comfort level taking Mayfield if they arent in fact able to get up any higher. Like you said tho, you try to get to second overall for one of Darnold, Rosen or Allen. I will be very happy if they get to five and stop. It will cost a whole hell of a lot to trade to #5 and then to trade again to #2. In theory, the three trades you'd make to get you from #21 to #2 would have cost you the following: From #21 to #12 Cordy Glenn and 1st #21 From #12 to #5 1st #12, 2nd #56, and 3rd #65 From #5 to #2 1st #5, 1st #22, and 3rd #96 And thats if they dont overpay on the value chart, which we all know is not likely.
Chuck Wagon Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 25 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: Getting the sense that if Beane gets to five, he'll have a sort of comfort level taking Mayfield if they arent in fact able to get up any higher. Like you said tho, you try to get to second overall for one of Darnold, Rosen or Allen. My inference is they are doing extra homework on Baker to be sure they are comfortable "getting stuck with him" but are pursing #2. I do have to wonder if Gettleman will decide we are the only realistic option for a trade out of #2 and instead of our picks getting devalued to an extent (paying a ~20% premium to get to ~5 then another ~20% premium from ~5 to 2) he just decides to take all the picks for himself. Personally I think that's the best route for the Giants to take, take all they can out of us and go from 2 to 12, then if a player you really want is in the 5-6-7-8 range and the price to move up is reasonable, move back up.
HiddenInLight Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 I wouldn't be pleased to give up next year's first, but as long as the target isn't Allen, I'd be happy with the result. The fact is that QB is the most important position in football, and you likely will not win a superbowl without a franchise guy. Do what you need to do to get the guy you think has the best chance to become that franchise guy for you. Worry about the rest later. As it is, this team is not bad enough to be a top ten pick next year, and the QB class is an unknown. You have the extra ammunition to get there, so do it!
auburnbillsbacker Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 (edited) The Giants and Bills have something in common. Both teams need a QB. If a trade were to happen which team would be considered smart? The team that either received or kept 3 first round picks or the team that got the QB? Edited April 2, 2018 by auburnbillsbacker
What a Tuel Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, auburnbillsbacker said: The Giants and Bills have something in common. Both teams need a QB. If I trade were to happen which team would be considered smart? The team that either received or kept 3 first round picks or the team that got the QB? Giants still have Eli Manning, and could potentially either not like this crop of QBs or like someone they can get at 5, 12 or 22 or in the 2nd round to test out while they try to win with Eli. Edited April 2, 2018 by What a Tuel
Ga boy Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 If any of these guys were considered can't miss like Peyton, Stafford, Cam or Ryan; I would say 3 firsts would be justifiable. Otherwise, let the draft come to you and see what's available in the 6-10 range. C'mon, let's not be stupide with the risks.
Reed83HOF Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 (edited) "If Beane gets the five, I know he can get to two," said the general manager who has been in contact with Beane. Edited April 2, 2018 by Reed83HOF 1
FearLess Price Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: "If Beane gets the five, I know he can get to two," said the general manager who has been in contact with Beane. Once we get to 5 a lot of people here will calm the f down.
K D Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 (edited) 5 won't happen. Denver loves where they are picking and might have even traded up if they had a partner but I don't think they do unless Cleveland talks them into trading 1 spot up. 6 with the Colts probably isn't happening, the Colts were adamant about staying in the top 10. the best bet is 7 with Tampa and I posted a thread on it with quotes from the GM saying he was in discussions to trade out of the spot. Edited April 2, 2018 by kdiggz
Chuck Wagon Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 16 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: "If Beane gets the five, I know he can get to two," said the general manager who has been in contact with Beane. If Denver doesn't want a QB (and doesn't want Barkley), I would think they should take our package and run. Assuming the 4 QBs are off the board by 12, you are still looking at picking between two of Ward / Fitzpatrick / Nelson / Smith / Edmonds / James / Vea. If they have 6 of those guys grouped together as a tier, it's way better to pick the last one out of the tier while picking up more draft picks, than to take the first one. 1
2003Contenders Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 (edited) If I am Denver I do not make that trade unless I am getting both 12 and 22 from the Bills. Then if I am the Giants, given what the Jets paid to go from 6 to 3, I would be looking for something similar from the Bills to go from 5 to 2. That probably means both 2's this year and #1 next year (given that the Bills' 2's are substantially later than the Jets'). So, that means 12, 22, 53, 56 AND the 2019 first rounder to move up to 2. That is a lot of premium picks. Edited April 2, 2018 by 2003Contenders
JaCrispy Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said: If you get to #5 and trade up again the targets have to be Allen, Darnold, or Rosen. I love Mayfield, but I can't imagine he is the target if the Bills are trying like hell to get to 2. If you think Mayfield is the top QB it makes perfect sense
thenorthremembers Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 13 minutes ago, kdiggz said: 5 won't happen. Denver loves where they are picking and might have even traded up if they had a partner but I don't think they do unless Cleveland talks them into trading 1 spot up. 6 with the Colts probably isn't happening, the Colts were adamant about staying in the top 10. the best bet is 7 with Tampa and I posted a thread on it with quotes from the GM saying he was in discussions to trade out of the spot. Playing devil's advocate here. If any of the quarterbacks are left at #7, why would you give up picks to move up when the next five picks arent necessarily quarterback needy teams? The biggest threat at that point is Miami at #11 and I am not convinced they are as interested in taking a quarterback as they seem to be letting on in the press. And even if you do believe they want to draft one, why not trade to #9, or #10 instead?
K D Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 Just now, thenorthremembers said: Playing devil's advocate here. If any of the quarterbacks are left at #7, why would you give up picks to move up when the next five picks arent necessarily quarterback needy teams? The biggest threat at that point is Miami at #11 and I am not convinced they are as interested in taking a quarterback as they seem to be letting on in the press. And even if you do believe they want to draft one, why not trade to #9, or #10 instead? other teams can move up too. my argument is that they need to get to 7 now so they have the option to trade up higher if they need to. worst case you take the QB that's left at 7 1
Chuck Wagon Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 10 minutes ago, kdiggz said: other teams can move up too. my argument is that they need to get to 7 now so they have the option to trade up higher if they need to. worst case you take the QB that's left at 7 Right. People have to be real naive to believe teams wouldn't be working hard to jump 12. Just sitting at 12 isn't an option for QB. 1
26CornerBlitz Posted April 2, 2018 Author Posted April 2, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Several general managers I spoke to believe there is still ample opportunity for the Giants and Bills to make a move – Bills general manager Brandon Beane worked under Gettleman in Carolina for a spell – and no one is convinced that the Bills are done wheeling and dealing. "Brandon is trying like hell to get up and get a quarterback," said one general manager who has spoken to Beane recently. "I'm convinced he'll trade up twice more if he has to. It reminds me of (Eagles general manager) Howie (Roseman) a few years ago (when he was moving up to land Carson Wentz)." Of course. Gettleman isn't interested in dropping all the way back to 12th overall, where the Bills currently sit after their trade with the Bengals. But if Beane can split the difference somewhat, then odds are quite good the Bills and Giants could be trade partners. If, say, the Broncos aren't convinced there is a quarterback worth taking at the fifth spot, that would be a perfect launching point for Beane. And that would be a sweetspot for Gettleman. "If Beane gets the five, I know he can get to two," said the general manager who has been in contact with Beane.
CommonCents Posted April 2, 2018 Posted April 2, 2018 25 minutes ago, FearLess Price said: Once we get to 5 a lot of people here will calm the f down. Will they? What if the draft goes Darnold, Rosen, and then Mayfield to the Jets? Think anyone is going to be calm about sitting there at 5 waiting for Allen? Who actually wants Allen in Buffalo and then what if they get jumped at 4 by another desperate team. So at that time the Bills would have given up multiple first round picks, A LT, and only received the 4th best QB available in the 18' draft. That's a steep price for a low floor high ceiling type of guy like Allen. IF three QBs come off the board in the first 3 picks I will not be excited at all sitting at 5.
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