jkirchofer Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 11 hours ago, Joaquin1119 said: We can always draft a QB next year. Hey you never know if AJ end up being our guy If McCarron was the guy, he would have been drafted that way.
Nitro Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 4 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: Colts wanted more than what the Bills were able to offer them... a top ten ( almost top 5) pick. They couldn't offer what they don't have in their posession. This type of thing was always a possibility. A QB needy team with a higher pick than them got a deal done to move up. They have a few other options ; some pundits feel the NYG simply won't trade with the Jets. If true, it's not lost on the Bills, so trying for pick 3 made sense for Buffalo if trying to move in front of them. It was on Indy radio. Rumors were they both firsts, a second and a first next season. before the Bills traded up. The Bills could have made the deal butt it would have been steep
Boatdrinks Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Nitro said: It was on Indy radio. Rumors were they both firsts, a second and a first next season. before the Bills traded up. The Bills could have made the deal butt it would have been steep Those were early rumors. We'll never really know what transpired yesterday/ today but Ballard said he wasn't looking to trade out of the top ten. The Jets may have been a late addition to the party , and that pick at 6 trumped what the Bills could offer this year.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 12 hours ago, Hurricane said: Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter Huge trade: Jets acquired No. 3 overall pick from Colts for No. 6 overall pick, 37th overall pick, 49th overall pick and our 2019 2nd round pick Mother #&$%@#$!! We better swing a deal with the giants
Jamie Muellers Ghost Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 Manish Mehta column about Jets trade. http://www.nydailynews.com/amp/sports/football/jets/maccagnan-job-line-jet-gm-bold-move-chase-qb-article-1.3880811#click=https://t.co/ftGS3Uktaf
Boatdrinks Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jamie Muellers Ghost said: Manish Mehta column about Jets trade. http://www.nydailynews.com/amp/sports/football/jets/maccagnan-job-line-jet-gm-bold-move-chase-qb-article-1.3880811#click=https://t.co/ftGS3Uktaf Interesting read , and pretty spot on. Jets were desperate and overpaid , but they had the pick at 6 and that bested anything Buffalo could do. Oh, Beane could have offered the entire draft or something . But realistically the Bills were the Colts bargaining chip , and once the Jets had satisfactorily upped their overpayment the Colts we're set. The Bills had no chance in this one. Interestingly , Mehta mentions that the Jets talked with the Browns. No mention of the Giants at 2, so there may be something to the theory that the Giants don't trade with the Jets. 1
The Frankish Reich Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 It was a great offseason until today. No, all hope is not lost, but as we went into the offseason, success was defined as getting a long term solution at QB through free agency or through the draft. That boiled down to Kirk Cousins or Darnold/Rosen/Allen/Mayfield. And right now it's looking unlikely that we'll get any of them. 1
Bills Pimpin' Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 Too much gloom and doom in this thread. The Jets way overpaid for the right to draft a player with the #3 pick when they already had the #6 with very little draft capital and a very weak roster. On top of that the Jets organization has just, in the past week, given $15-$20 million to the QB position which everyone assumes and rightfully so that they will draft. The fact of the matter is, there is no guarantees in this league about players drafted. There is no sure thing. To mortgage 5 years of a franchises future by giving up 3 2nd round draft picks to move up 3 spots is irresponsible and ignorant, especially if you havent done the work to gather draft assets like the Bills have done in 1 short year. Beane will not overpay to move up to draft a player who is not a sure thing. It is the very same reasoning why he didn't give Sam Bradford $20 million and why he didn't give Keenum $20 million. They are not worth it. The team the Bills need to worry about after this trade is the Indianaplois Colts, not the NY Jets. If Gettleman makes a fair offer, I expect Beane to move up, if he doesn't, I expect Beane to wait and see what unfolds. In my opinion Beane thinks the Jets made a huge mistake today. It was a panic move and a bad one as it stands tonight.
Reed83HOF Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 3 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: I mean are you seriously arguing that we should have wanted 10 years of Matt Schaub? What a stupid argument. 57 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: It was a great offseason until today. No, all hope is not lost, but as we went into the offseason, success was defined as getting a long term solution at QB through free agency or through the draft. That boiled down to Kirk Cousins or Darnold/Rosen/Allen/Mayfield. And right now it's looking unlikely that we'll get any of them. and we passed on Watson & Mahomes at a shot at those guys this year...
BillsFan4 Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 I still feel good about getting a quality QB prospect this draft, whether we move up or stay where we are. One of the strengths of this draft is how deep the QB class is. And whether we move up or not, Beane and McDermott put us in a great position to take a gamble on a QB high in the draft this year. They have two 1sts, 2nds and 3rds. They can gamble and be a bit less gun-why on a QB in the 1st this year that maybe they woulld be more hesitant to pull the trigger on in a year with only 1 pick in each round. Shoot, they could decide to take a shot on 2 QBs in this draft and it still wouldn't really hurt them, draft wise.
BillsFan4 Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 3 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: It was a great offseason until today. No, all hope is not lost, but as we went into the offseason, success was defined as getting a long term solution at QB through free agency or through the draft. That boiled down to Kirk Cousins or Darnold/Rosen/Allen/Mayfield. And right now it's looking unlikely that we'll get any of them. How do you figure that? This didn't really change anything. The Jets at #6 were in front of us before today, too. They just moved up 3 more spots and took away 1 potential trade-up partner. If getting a one of the top 4 QBs is the Bills goal, We still have just as good shot at the #4 QB this year the way I see it. It's still mainly the Browns, Broncos and Jets in dont of us for QB (except now it goes Browns, Jets, Broncos). I guess Miami is a potential wild card, but I think we could pretty easily find our way in front of them somewhere between 6-10 if they had to. Or maybe they move to 4 to jump the Broncos, or sell the farm for #2.
FearLess Price Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 15 hours ago, oldmanfan said: You don't know who they like, nor do I, nor does anyone else here. Up till this morning everyone has liked what Beane has done. And now because another team makes a trade Beane is a bum? Come on. He is in position to do whatever he thinks is the right thing for the franchise. Let him do his job instead of assuming a bunch of stuff. Have you watched tape? Theres a reason most of us dont like Allen. GMs have the players they like, info like that leaks and teams put out smoke screens to throw off trading opps. If the dirt sheets are saying Allen is one of the guys we like at #12, than hell yeah were can complain. Theres much better prospects out there and you don't have to be a scout to see it on tape.
BillsFan4 Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 4 hours ago, Jamie Muellers Ghost said: Manish Mehta column about Jets trade. http://www.nydailynews.com/amp/sports/football/jets/maccagnan-job-line-jet-gm-bold-move-chase-qb-article-1.3880811#click=https://t.co/ftGS3Uktaf This is kind of what I said in another thread - Maccagnan knows his job is on the line, and is acting with a bit of desperation. According to the article on the MMQB about this trade, he sold Woody Johnson on this plan over a year ago. To do whatever it takes to land one of the top 4 QBs in this draft. He bought some time on the job by selling Johnson on this plan. If he stayed at 6 at possibly missed out on all top 4 QBs, he's possibly fired before next season. You can't expect Beane or other GMs that have more job security to be willing to go toe to toe with a GM who's maybe willing to act a bit irrationally/recklessly (by overpaying) to keep his job. He's basically willing to gamble it all on any one of the top 3/4 QBs this year... (that's not the most sound plan IMO). Maccagnan gave up 4 top 50 picks to move up 3 spots. That's a hard offer to compete with, especially when you consider that the Colts will either still get a blue chip prospect, or have a chance to trade down a 2nd time with another QB needy team and stockpile even more assets.
oldmanfan Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 11 minutes ago, FearLess Price said: Have you watched tape? Theres a reason most of us dont like Allen. GMs have the players they like, info like that leaks and teams put out smoke screens to throw off trading opps. If the dirt sheets are saying Allen is one of the guys we like at #12, than hell yeah were can complain. Theres much better prospects out there and you don't have to be a scout to see it on tape. Complain all you want. None of have all the information the pro teams have and none of us are pro scouts. And even they get it wrong with QBs in round 1 about half the time We all come here to share opinions. Great. But it is arrogant to think you know better than guys who have done this for years. It would be like Beane walking into my office and telling me he knows how to run a lab better than me because he saw a you tube video about it 1
terrytate Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 4 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: Interesting read , and pretty spot on. Jets were desperate and overpaid , but they had the pick at 6 and that bested anything Buffalo could do. Oh, Beane could have offered the entire draft or something . But realistically the Bills were the Colts bargaining chip , and once the Jets had satisfactorily upped their overpayment the Colts we're set. The Bills had no chance in this one. Interestingly , Mehta mentions that the Jets talked with the Browns. No mention of the Giants at 2, so there may be something to the theory that the Giants don't trade with the Jets. There is no such thing as over payment. That is a thing teams say when they are sitting on the sidelines watching other teams wheel and deal. This is a qb league , and the jets and bills have not had a legitimate on in a long time. They made the move we did not.
Klaista2k Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 This really sucks but when you consider all our draft capital shouldn't we still be able to trade up to 1 or 2? And we could always throw is next year's 1st if we really needed to...
oldmanfan Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, terrytate said: There is no such thing as over payment. That is a thing teams say when they are sitting on the sidelines watching other teams wheel and deal. This is a qb league , and the jets and bills have not had a legitimate on in a long time. They made the move we did not. They panicked. The Bills didn't. As you say there is no such thing as overpayment. If true (and Inwould argue your point) the Bills can overpay to get ahead of them. All the Jets did is guarantee they potentially get the 3rd QB on their board
Klaista2k Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 40 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: I still feel good about getting a quality QB prospect this draft, whether we move up or stay where we are. One of the strengths of this draft is how deep the QB class is. And whether we move up or not, Beane and McDermott put us in a great position to take a gamble on a QB high in the draft this year. They have two 1sts, 2nds and 3rds. They can gamble and be a bit less gun-why on a QB in the 1st this year that maybe they woulld be more hesitant to pull the trigger on in a year with only 1 pick in each round. Shoot, they could decide to take a shot on 2 QBs in this draft and it still wouldn't really hurt them, draft wise. That was the same mentality we had in 2004 when we ended up with Losman. We need to be aggressive or we'll never be a true contender.
oldmanfan Posted March 18, 2018 Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Klaista2k said: This really sucks but when you consider all our draft capital shouldn't we still be able to trade up to 1 or 2? And we could always throw is next year's 1st if we really needed to... Sure we can. If we want to throw in picks from next year, Shady, etc.
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