Reed83HOF Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...has anybody seen McBeane's official definition of a "franchise QB" so we can realistically compare HIS definition to the roster of candidates?.....nothing yet in my Funk & Wagnalls....from him or anybody.... http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2017/07/buffalo_bills_gm_brandon_beane_describes_what_he_looks_for_in_franchise_quarterb.html So what does Beane look for in a quarterback? "Obviously, you draw them up, from a physical standpoint, they look like Cam (Newton)," Beane said. "But how many are there like that? You want a guy, the stature, the height, you know, they're standing over, they're not worried about linemen in their face. It gives them the vision and all that. Arm strength. But the one thing that people I think miss a little bit when they're watching, you know, the college game schematically has just been so dummied down that these guys know before the ball's snapped right where they're going. There's no progressions. There's no audibiling. That's the challenge that the college guys have, and it's brutal. And these quarterbacks that are getting drafted high that have never taken a snap from center, have never called an audible. That's tough. The intangibles are the other thing that you can't necessarily measure from the film. I can turn on the film and watch some things. You obviously want to see quarterbacks live, but what's this guy's makeup? What's his leadership? Do guys rally behind him? I go back to Carolina. Jake Delhomme, one of the greatest leaders I've ever been around. He was undrafted. The guy willed himself to lead the team the years he was in Carolina. His intangibles were a 12 on a one-to-10 scale. And that's how he overcame his athletic limitations. I kind of went around the question a little bit, but you're looking for a lot of things, some of it physically we can all see. But a lot of it you can't necessarily see."
ddaryl Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 1 hour ago, joesixpack said: Well that's disappointing. And looks like I'm right...YET AGAIN. Whoever the guy was that said 4QB weren't going in the top ten...own up.
MAJBobby Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, ColoradoBills said: It is were a team has to move to guarantee the 2nd QB in a draft. Sitting with #21 and #22 to begin was never a position of strength. But we are not sitting with 21 and 22 we have 12 and 22 two 2nds two 3rds
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 ...great theater today.....the ".OBD St. Patrick's Day Massacre" unfolds...........outta popcorn and Depends already......
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: I don't think so.... Giants havenot had an good OL in a few years...Nelson is their target. Dave G says he believes in building lines with big nasties.... Didn't the Giants just make G Norwell the highest paid G in football, also they re-signed C Weston Richburg, it's quite possible the Giants will take the QB of the future. I hope our GM can now convince the Giants to move down the board, it might not even be possible.
mjt328 Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: IF the Jets get the right guy. IF. Why do so many here think there is a sure fire guy in this draft? IF Beane thinks there is, I suspect he'll go get him. If not and he thinks the six guys at the top are equal then he gets one where he is. No one knows who the best guys will be yet. Clearly none of them are like a Luck or Manning or Elway. Quit assuming they are. How many times do people have to explain this? It's not about getting a SURE FIRE guy!!!!!!!!!!! There is ONE POSITION in the entire NFL that can single-handedly transform a bottom-feeder into a contender. There is ONE POSITION in the NFL that can dominate the league for 10-15 years. There is ONE POSITION in the NFL that can make everyone around him better. Let me give you a hint. It's not a Linebacker. It's not an Offensive Tackle. It's not a Wide Receiver or a Tight End. It's not a Cornerback or a Safety. The Jets can make strong draft picks every single year, and I couldn't care less. Having a strong roster does not make them a long-term threat. At the end of the day, building a roster without a Quarterback is a waste of time. Maybe who they get turns out to be Mark Sanchez, and we get lucky. But maybe he turns out to be Matt Ryan, Carson Wentz, Ben Roethlisberger, etc., etc. In which case, they will be a legitimate team to contend with until 2030. 1
frostbitmic Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 The sky is falling, the sky is falling ... 1. Browns - Barkley 2. Giants - Rosen 3. Jests - Mayfield 4. Browns - Darnold 5. Broncos - Nelson 6. Colts - Chubb 7. Bucs - Fitzpatrick 8. Bills - Allen 9. 49ers - Edmunds 10. Raiders - Smith 22. Bills - Evans - MLB - Alabama 2
Real McClappy Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, JayBaller10 said: I would rather wait to see how the draft plays out. Say we grab Jackson at 22, if it's clear none of those three QBs have what it takes to lead the Bills, then I'd sign Foles next year as an UFA. No need to give up draft compensation. I'm also on record for not wanting to mortgage our entire draft for the #2 pick. The draft compensation is Jackson then. The ? is whom is likely to be better Foles or Jackson? 1
thebandit27 Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, oldmanfan said: What if he really likes Rudolph? He'll be there at 12. Just as an example. If Rudolph is truly his guy, and he believes that he's the only one that values him that highly, then he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. And that's dumb 2
Tyrod's friend Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 Glad we didn't take the bait; for us to have matched the Jets it would have cost probably something on the order of both our firsts this year, one of our seconds, and next year's first. Absurd, and especially for a QB that no matter who you pick is no better a chance to make in this league than Blake Bortles.
BBillsWestCoast Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 Jets did such an amazing job. They can trade Bridgewater next year if he plays well. They win even if we trade to #2.
thebandit27 Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 Perhaps I'm the only one that doesn't see this as a big deal Either move to 2 and take your guy, or move to 4 and take whoever is left
Success Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, Real McCoy said: The draft compensation is Jackson then. The ? is whom is likely to be better Foles or Jackson? Hard to see a trade for Foles now. We got our vet backup. Frankly, I kind of want to see what Mccarron can do.
Reed83HOF Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: Didn't the Giants just make G Norwell the highest paid G in football, also they re-signed C Weston Richburg, it's quite possible the Giants will take the QB of the future. I hope our GM can now convince the Giants to move down the board, it might not even be possible. Norwell went to Jax and Richburg is with SF They got Nate Solder as a LT
DCOrange Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 For what it's worth, Charlie Campbell reported a few months ago that the guy that told him the Jets wanted Hackenburg hinted that the Jets badly wanted Josh Allen.
Magox Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: Based on the math the Jets paid roughly a 25% premium. The Bills would be looking at 12, 22, 53, 56 and a 2019 2nd. It’s a giant price now. More like a 60% premium
thebandit27 Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, BBillsWestCoast said: Jets did such an amazing job. They can trade Bridgewater next year if he plays well. They win even if we trade to #2. Teddy is a UFA in 2019
Manther Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 22 minutes ago, peterpan said: I cannot fathom Rosen falling to 3 in any scenario. I totally think Rosen will fall to #3. Maybe #4 or #5.
billsfan89 Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 This is crushing because unless the Browns are willing to trade down from 1 or the Giants from 2 this team will likely not land a top QB and will have to settle for a QB that falls to 12 or 22. The Colts were always going to be the spot for a trade up and now that spot is going to pick a QB. My hope is that the Browns take Barkley at number 1 and the Giants sell their pick off to build the roster around Eli Manning for the next 2-3 years trying to get one last run out of him. 12, 22, 53, 65, 96, and a pick next year would be a kings ransom that would allow the Giants to more easily rebuild around Eli and set a foundation for years to come. But if the Giants want a QB they simply can't pass up the opportunity to draft one.
ColoradoBills Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: But we are not sitting with 21 and 22 we have 12 and 22 two 2nds two 3rds I understand. We moved to 12 and it was great. 12 is not enticing to a team sitting at 2 or 3. IF Beane is trying to get to 2 he may have no choice to move again up to 7 or 8. My point is not about the Bill's it's about the teams at 2 or 3 and what they want. It's always been about them and not the Bill's. 1
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