Rockinon Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: .take the guy that comes with a warranty, money back guarantee and return of your draft pick if he busts......simple..... This thread just keeps getting better.
MrEpsYtown Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, /dev/null said: Ooooh ooooh oooooh Mr Kotter!!! Mr Kotter!!! Can we trade for Christian Hackeberg now! Kidding, I'm kidding. Please don't start throwing stuff at me Hey he was a five star recruit too! Edited March 17, 2018 by MrEpsYtown
Jay_Fixit Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Playoffs? said: The Browns are licking their chops right now! They’re going to end up with a stud QB and Barkley! Almost guaranteed now... If the Bills move to 2, sure. I can see the Giants taking Barkley at 2.
Real McClappy Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Is this the part where we try to convince ourselves none of these guys are worth trading up for since another team beat us to it? This is were we are told this is a bad QB class and next year is better. Edited March 17, 2018 by Real McCoy 1
Chuck Wagon Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Is this the part where we try to convince ourselves none of these guys are worth trading up for since another team beat us to it? Bingo. I do enjoy the narrative. "No clear cut guy" as if these guys are all rubbish, instead of the reality that GMs and fans have been drooling over this QB class for years. 1
Reed83HOF Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: The only way I see us getting to #2 is basically a 3 team trade where the Giants fall to #4 / #6 / #7 and we basically pay for 2 moves up the board. I don't think the Giants are going to punt out of the tier of prospects they are looking at with #2 all the way down to #12, and I think it's too risky for us to do in two separate transactions. I concur...
BuffaninATL Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 31 minutes ago, Manther said: I think #2 just got more expensive!
Reed83HOF Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: And chances are they’d have gotten the guy they wanted at 6 anyway. This was a precautionary move to prevent someone from trading ahead of them at 4 or 5. I doubt the Giants, Colts, Broncos are taking QB’s that high. Some team out of the top 10 could have moved up. Jets gave up a lot to potentially maybe stop a team from taking their guy. I also think we may have wanted this to happen - it makes a trade with the Giants much easier if as I suspect the want Nelson....
mjt328 Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 Unbelievable. What's the most interesting is seeing the Jets move to #3 and not #2. This tells me a few things. Either: a) The Giants pick is not for sale. b) The Giants already have a better offer on the table c) The Giants asking price is way too high My hope when Beane moved us to #12 was that he already had a concrete deal in place to go up into the Top 3. Like I said earlier in the week, sitting at #12 was not going to be high enough. And waiting until Draft Day to make a move was just inviting other teams to jump up instead. I've been very impressed with how Beane has manipulated our draft position up until this point. And maybe there is something on the table that we are unaware of. But unfortunately, there is a very good chance that he was too tentative to pull the trigger, and we just missed out big time. If it wasn't already clear that Cleveland is taking a QB, this move pretty much cements it. They can't wait until Pick #4. If the New York Giants are unwilling to move from #2, there is a very high probability they are also after a QB. The Jets are obviously taking a QB. If anyone thinks Denver is going to pass on a QB they want just because they gave Case Keenum a 2-year contract, they are totally fooling themselves. And then you have Miami and Arizona sandwiching us. Forget waiting for the leftovers at #12. We could end up being FORCED to give up a king's ransom, just to get the leftovers. Walking out of this draft without our Quarterback of the future would be the biggest failure to befall this team has seen in years. Beane put all of his eggs into the 2018 basket. Besides trading down in last year's draft, we also traded away several players to obtain extra picks. Not only does next year's QB class look significantly weaker, but we won't have anywhere near the draft capital to move up. We won't have high-priced veterans to use as bait for extra picks. Our best hope then becomes totally bottoming out for 1-2 seasons, or relying on a mid-round project or veteran cast-off. I hope nobody is laughing at the Jets. A few days ago, they looked like the team who missed out on Kirk Cousins AND the team who would be forced to take the scraps off the draft pile. Now that team is us. If they get the right guy under center, it will totally transform that franchise. They won't miss any of the picks they gave up to land him. 1
Andy1 Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, papazoid said: Optimist: doesn't matter, Beane is a genius Pessimist: we're doooomed I have to be an optimist. Its the only way I can be watching this team. I don't know how you could be a Bills fan if you were a pessimist. You would need to be on Prozac to survive the football season.
oldmanfan Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: This is why I started the thread wondering why people thought teams were just going to stand by helplessly as the Bills tried to climb over them. First crisis for Beane as GM. Intrigue. Competition between division rivals. Love it. Been very easy selling the fan base on controversial moves to this point.......they've all been propped up and qualified with the notion that they are going to lead to the Bills getting their franchise QB in the draft. But with McD having passed on Watson and Mahomes last year.........Beane is really in a must-score situation wrt drafting a top QB prospect for his HC. I know there are a few screwballs on here who think otherwise..........there have always been a group that always want to kick the can down the road..........but the time is now. Luckily the Giants pick is still potentially available. That was always the big edge the Bills have had.......the Jets are most desperate for a QB and the Giants simply can't trade with their in-stadium rival. Bills might have to climb to Tampa's pick........then climb again to #2..........but they can do it. If they take their shot and miss..........it won't be pretty but the fanbase and ownership will be somewhat understanding and if they can withstand that and maintain some level of competitiveness they might get another kick at it in 2020.............but if they pull a Donahoe and get a guy outside of the premium group(top 4 or 5 this year).......and that kid misses and they don't WIN.........no forgiveness! Someone else gets to draft and develop the 2020 draft QB. This is the way it should be! I never wanted #3 in the first place. Earn it Bills! It is not a crises. Too many people go way over the top.
napmaster Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, billykay said: 3 - 2nds for their guy. Doesn't seem like a heck of a lot to me. The #6 pick plus 3 #2s (and not late second round picks like the Bills have, but early ones - as I would imaging their 2nd next year will be in the 30s). No guarantee they get their guy - they didn't move to #1. As others have pointed out the Jets must have 3 QBs they are targeting. They may have to settle for their 3rd guy, which makes what they gave up seem awfully high. Time will tell. 1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rockinon said: This thread just keeps getting better. ....my apology....couldn't resist.......there are double lines forming on the Peace Bridge and 172 ambulances have been dispatched in WNY to treat "Blue Bawls" from bunched nylons......could be an epidemic shortly.....stay tuned...........
MrEpsYtown Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, mjt328 said: Unbelievable. What's the most interesting is seeing the Jets move to #3 and not #2. This tells me a few things. Either: a) The Giants pick is not for sale. b) The Giants already have a better offer on the table c) The Giants asking price is way too high My hope when Beane moved us to #12 was that he already had a concrete deal in place to go up into the Top 3. Like I said earlier in the week, sitting at #12 was not going to be high enough. And waiting until Draft Day to make a move was just inviting other teams to jump up instead. I've been very impressed with how Beane has manipulated our draft position up until this point. And maybe there is something on the table that we are unaware of. But unfortunately, there is a very good chance that he was too tentative to pull the trigger, and we just missed out big time. If it wasn't already clear that Cleveland is taking a QB, this move pretty much cements it. They can't wait until Pick #4. If the New York Giants are unwilling to move from #2, there is a very high probability they are also after a QB. The Jets are obviously taking a QB. If anyone thinks Denver is going to pass on a QB they want just because they gave Case Keenum a 2-year contract, they are totally fooling themselves. And then you have Miami and Arizona sandwiching us. Forget waiting for the leftovers at #12. We could end up being FORCED to give up a king's ransom, just to get the leftovers. Walking out of this draft without our Quarterback of the future would be the biggest failure to befall this team has seen in years. Beane put all of his eggs into the 2018 basket. Besides trading down in last year's draft, we also traded away several players to obtain extra picks. Not only does next year's QB class look significantly weaker, but we won't have anywhere near the draft capital to move up. We won't have high-priced veterans to use as bait for extra picks. Our best hope then becomes totally bottoming out for 1-2 seasons, or relying on a mid-round project or veteran cast-off. I hope nobody is laughing at the Jets. A few days ago, they looked like the team who missed out on Kirk Cousins AND the team who would be forced to take the scraps off the draft pile. Now that team is us. If they get the right guy under center, it will totally transform that franchise. They won't miss any of the picks they gave up to land him. Good post and well thought out. The NY media would kill the Giants if they traded down with the Jets. Either we or someone like the Broncos have a deal in place with them or they are staying put.
McBean Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 Man, it’s hard to think positive right now about this. I don’t see anyway we don’t end up with the 4th best QB tops right now.
Zebrastripes Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: Tom Brady and Ben Roethlisberger immediately come to mind as far as great QBs that were guided along by strong rosters during the developmental phases of their careers early on. Nick Foles and Case Keenum benefitted from strong rosters around them last year and did awesome as well. The year before Brady and Roethlisberger took over as the QB their teams both had losing records. They become starters and take both their teams to the playoffs. The qb position is so highly debatable that no one has a right or wrong answer. I just feel like getting your qb first is the way to go.
TH3 Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Bingo. I do enjoy the narrative. "No clear cut guy" as if these guys are all rubbish, instead of the reality that GMs and fans have been drooling over this QB class for years. Fans and GM s have been talking themselves into this draft for years more like it....
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