RyanC883 Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: Tell Beane. But prepared to be disappointed. Rothlisberger was the last of the top tier QBs in 2004, and when Texans backed out of our trade, instead of upping the offer we passed and grabbed Losman as a 2nd-tier guy. Not saying Allen is Rothlisberger, but this franchise needs to get a QB for once and not get cute about it. Ben was a much better prospect than Allen. But I will be very disappointed if we grab Allen because he has a "big arm." This is like grabbing a WR just because he has a fast 40 time, IMO. 1
hondo in seattle Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, AmishRifle said: Beane Presser Takeaways (please feel free to add more as I know I missed some) --Wished Tyrod well and said he'll be rooting for him except when he's playing Buffalo --Thanked all of his Scouts and Staff for their preparation on Free Agency --Admitted that the salary cap will not support any further large Free Agent signings, you may see small depth signings. "Nothing to make the ticker" --Believes in building strong, attacking Defensive Line and protecting Offensive Line (Explaining the DT and DE signings). Aligns with McDermott on this. --Eric Wood remains in same status. Has become a back burner issue with Free Agency and Draft prep. --Emphatically stated that he hasn't completed his prep of potential draftees. His sole focus now is draft preparation. --Skirted the trade up questions with the statement above on not being able to reach a decision yet as the draft preparation is not complete. --Alluded to the notion that they could in fact stay at 12 and get a very good player. --Talked openly of his philosophy of not chasing players, about setting value as in floor and ceiling, and not going outside of that value. --Sees McCarron as having an opportunity to compete for starting position. Called several coaches, including Marvin Lewis, before making his decision. --Stated that they are using a very methodical approach to decision making. --Stated that he's never comfortable with a roster (Answer to "are you comfortable with your wide receivers" question) --Happy to get Richie Incognito restructured. Coming off Pro Bowl year. Important to do. Not much detail on the restructure. Again, feel free to add for those that couldn't listen. Thanks for this. I didn't watch/listen but this seems like a great summary. 1
Reed83HOF Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 23 minutes ago, the skycap said: He could've said any other number, why focus on 15?? The Dr. picked up on the same reference. Arizona has been mocked to a certain QB at 15. IJS Just a number and 15 is approx middle of the draft btw Mike RodakVerified account @mikerodak 37m37 minutes ago Brandon Beane said they are now in the range of Top 15 prospects, and “it’s not necessarily quarterback." Joe BuscagliaVerified account @JoeBuscaglia 38m38 minutes ago #Bills GM Brandon Beane: Everybody assumes that we're going to go higher [in the draft]... I don't know that yet. Chris BrownVerified account @ChrisBrownBills 38m38 minutes ago Beane on moving higher in draft: I don’t know if we’re moving higher, but I do know there will be guys on the board at 12 that we wouldn’t have gotten at 21. #Bills Howard WGRVerified account @hsimon62 38m38 minutes ago beane: everyone assumes we are going higher, i dont know that. there are players QB and others that werent falling to 21. now we are in range for those guys
DrDawkinstein Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: Ben was a much better prospect than Allen. But I will be very disappointed if we grab Allen because he has a "big arm." This is like grabbing a WR just because he has a fast 40 time, IMO. Again, Im not comparing the players. Im comparing the behavior in getting the Top Prospects versus settling for 2nd tier. Say what you want about Allen, neither you nor I really know. 1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said: Just a number and 15 is approx middle of the draft btw Mike RodakVerified account @mikerodak 37m37 minutes ago Brandon Beane said they are now in the range of Top 15 prospects, and “it’s not necessarily quarterback." Joe BuscagliaVerified account @JoeBuscaglia 38m38 minutes ago #Bills GM Brandon Beane: Everybody assumes that we're going to go higher [in the draft]... I don't know that yet. Chris BrownVerified account @ChrisBrownBills 38m38 minutes ago Beane on moving higher in draft: I don’t know if we’re moving higher, but I do know there will be guys on the board at 12 that we wouldn’t have gotten at 21. #Bills Howard WGRVerified account @hsimon62 38m38 minutes ago beane: everyone assumes we are going higher, i dont know that. there are players QB and others that werent falling to 21. now we are in range for those guys The classic mid-march GM smokescreens... 2
RyanC883 Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: What you described is "fear-based" decision making. It's "playing not to lose". Bills need to grow some balls for once and get their guy. Smith or Edwards could bust just as easily. QB is the most important position. Not fear-based at all. Reality-based. You can't sell the farm to get a QB with a lot of question marks. Look at Washington, sold-out for RG3. How'd that end up. The guy they took in the 4th that year--Cousins-- is now the highest paid QB in the league. When teams get cute by "reaching", usually fails. Takes more balls, IMO, to stick by your draft board and not overpay. I'm not saying they shouldn't move up, but they shouldn't panic (e.x. "oh my gosh, Rosen and Mayfield are gone, lets go crazy after Darnold or Allen). You trade a lot of draft picks away, you can't build a "team." You build a "team" like the Eagles did, and you can win the SB with an average guy. And Wentz was on a tear, but he had a great team around him. Or you can have Cousins, and no team, because you sold-out like Washington. Only QB's that I think are worth "going after" are Rosen or Mayfield. Mayfield could even be there at 12. 2 1
Solomon Grundy Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 16 minutes ago, kdiggz said: Some of the highlights from the press conference for those that missed it... "We will definitely move up and draft a QB and then we will win the Super Bowl" "Baker Mayfield is too short and we don't like when he grabs his crotch" "Lamar Jackson is a WR" "We are going to sign all of the top free agents" "Shady McCoy is on the trade block" This is some Trump administration BS!!
RyanC883 Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Again, Im not comparing the players. Im comparing the behavior in getting the Top Prospects versus settling for 2nd tier. Say what you want about Allen, neither you nor I really know. The classic mid-march GM smokescreens... I think we both agree in going after "top prospects," identifying those guys is difficult. For me, they are Rosen and Mayfield. Darnold would be okay at 12. Allen, no way. I'd have White, Falk and Rudolph above him on my draft board, IMO.
GG Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 11 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: or they could overpay and end up with someone like David Carr, Leftwich, Collins, Harrington, etc. While watching Smith or Edwards dominate for the next 10 years. I think they have 2 QB's potentially they would "overpay" for (Rosen, Mayfield hopefully). The rest they wont'. Classic Battered Bills Derangement Syndrome. Maybe there's another Troy Brown in this draft class to minimize any risk they may take in selecting a QB high 1
DrDawkinstein Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 1 minute ago, RyanC883 said: I think we both agree in going after "top prospects," identifying those guys is difficult. For me, they are Rosen and Mayfield. Darnold would be okay at 12. Allen, no way. I'd have White, Falk and Rudolph above him on my draft board, IMO. Absolutely no offense meant here, but you and I dont know jack. Us Bills fans have had this offseason QB discussion so many times, and have been wrong almost every time, I stopped trying to be smarter than the pros years ago. I'm gonna sit back and "trust the process", and trust McBeane. I'm just happy they are getting aggressive and serious about getting a top tier guy. Whoever that may be, they know better than us. 1
RyanC883 Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 1 minute ago, GG said: Classic Battered Bills Derangement Syndrome. Maybe there's another Troy Brown in this draft class to minimize any risk they may take in selecting a QB high Not at all. All I'm saying is stick to the board. Don't chase a QB you don't have highly ranked because you "need a QB." They go after Rosen or Mayfield I'll be happy. 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: Absolutely no offense meant here, but you and I dont know jack. Us Bills fans have had this offseason QB discussion so many times, and have been wrong almost every time, I stopped trying to be smarter than the pros years ago. I'm gonna sit back and "trust the process", and trust McBeane. I'm just happy they are getting aggressive and serious about getting a top tier guy. Whoever that may be, they know better than us. No offense taken man! That's what this board is here for, to discuss and debate. Nothing else to do this time of year in terms of pre-draft process. I like McBean, whoever he gets I want to succeed. I just don't want him to "panic" into taking someone. And I don't get the idea that he is that type of GM.
BigBuff423 Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 It sounds to me that Beane and his staff did their diligence on AJ like they would on a Draft pick. In the event they don’t take a QB high, this would seem to indicate they really believe in AJ and such research would point to that fact, IMHO.
DrDawkinstein Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, GG said: Classic Battered Bills Derangement Syndrome. Maybe there's another Troy Brown in this draft class to minimize any risk they may take in selecting a QB high For what it's worth, I gave @BADOLBILZ a ton for flack during and after the 2016 draft because he was saying he would rather take a chance on Paxton Lynch over drafting Shaq Lawson. And as it's played out, even though Lynch hasnt become a starter, Lawson hasnt been that great either. In hindsight, taking a flyer on the most important position would probably have been a better choice there. Or at least equivalent. Same deal here in 2018. The Bills biggest need is STILL QB. That should be the main focus until we get one. 1
Tyrod's friend Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 30 minutes ago, the skycap said: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-mock-draft-bills-trade-into-top-five-for-qb-barkley-almost-falls-out-of-top-10/ If you read someone that starts with some absolutely ridiculous assumptions, turn away. The minute you read 2nd: NYG - Q .... move on to read something else.
astb41 Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 So no more large free agency deals...does that take ej Gaines off the table? Or Preston?
DrDawkinstein Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Tyrod's friend said: If you read someone that starts with some absolutely ridiculous assumptions, turn away. The minute you read 2nd: NYG - Q .... move on to read something else. As much as I dont think the Giants will go QB at #2, we've all seen enough drafts to know that anything can happen, and it's usually nothing like we expected or was mocked. I wouldnt be the least bit surprised if they did stay and grab a QB and throw a monkey wrench into everyone's plans.
BigBuff423 Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 Here’s the other thing to consider, Buffalo is essentially done in FA, that means all these “holes” need to be filled via the Draft. That means they need all these picks....just food for thought. 1
NewEraBills Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 15 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Just a number and 15 is approx middle of the draft btw Mike RodakVerified account @mikerodak 37m37 minutes ago Brandon Beane said they are now in the range of Top 15 prospects, and “it’s not necessarily quarterback." Joe BuscagliaVerified account @JoeBuscaglia 38m38 minutes ago #Bills GM Brandon Beane: Everybody assumes that we're going to go higher [in the draft]... I don't know that yet. Chris BrownVerified account @ChrisBrownBills 38m38 minutes ago Beane on moving higher in draft: I don’t know if we’re moving higher, but I do know there will be guys on the board at 12 that we wouldn’t have gotten at 21. #Bills Howard WGRVerified account @hsimon62 38m38 minutes ago beane: everyone assumes we are going higher, i dont know that. there are players QB and others that werent falling to 21. now we are in range for those guys Beane is handling this like a pro. Just like a week or so ago where he talked about liking picks and being comfortable at 21 and 22. He's right though, he doesn't KNOW anything yet because we do not have a suitor. Hopefully, we get one and can move further down in the draft. Beane has made it so that he'll be right regardless of what happens LOL.
Tyrod's friend Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: For what it's worth, I gave @BADOLBILZ a ton for flack during and after the 2016 draft because he was saying he would rather take a chance on Paxton Lynch over drafting Shaq Lawson. And as it's played out, even though Lynch hasnt become a starter, Lawson hasnt been that great either. In hindsight, taking a flyer on the most important position would probably have been a better choice there. Or at least equivalent. Same deal here in 2018. The Bills biggest need is STILL QB. That should be the main focus until we get one. As it stands, right now, to win in 2018 and quite possibly beyond, the Bills biggest need is not QB. You had a bad, really bad offensive line that was covered by a mobile QB last year. You could at least make do with McCarron. You cannot make due with what amounts to essentially a back up G, RT, and C. You cannot. I agree with you - the franchise QB isn't on this roster. But QB is not the biggest need, not by a distance in 2018.
Solomon Grundy Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Tyrod's friend said: If you read someone that starts with some absolutely ridiculous assumptions, turn away. The minute you read 2nd: NYG - Q .... move on to read something else. According to most posters favorite ex-GM, he's the 2nd best prospect in the draft. First being Saquan Barkley.
hondo in seattle Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 16 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Just a number and 15 is approx middle of the draft btw Mike RodakVerified account @mikerodak 37m37 minutes ago Brandon Beane said they are now in the range of Top 15 prospects, and “it’s not necessarily quarterback." Joe BuscagliaVerified account @JoeBuscaglia 38m38 minutes ago #Bills GM Brandon Beane: Everybody assumes that we're going to go higher [in the draft]... I don't know that yet. Chris BrownVerified account @ChrisBrownBills 38m38 minutes ago Beane on moving higher in draft: I don’t know if we’re moving higher, but I do know there will be guys on the board at 12 that we wouldn’t have gotten at 21. #Bills Howard WGRVerified account @hsimon62 38m38 minutes ago beane: everyone assumes we are going higher, i dont know that. there are players QB and others that werent falling to 21. now we are in range for those guys I wonder if the bolded statement might be true. I think some of us are expecting Beane to trade up higher before the draft. He might actually be waiting for draft day to see how the first picks go before deciding whether or not he needs to trade up to get his man. 1
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