Royale with Cheese Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 On 3/16/2018 at 1:12 PM, MrEpsYtown said: I don't want him back at any price. If he returns, he will continue to hold this defense back. Manti T'eo, essentially the same player, signed a 2 year 5 million dollar contract. He is a part time player that only plays in base 4-3 sets. I'd be comfortable with that number, but I'd prefer he not come back. Also, Avery Williamson is a playmaker. He has something like 12 career sacks. The dude is a difference maker. Expand He obviously provides value if we have a standing offer out to him. Which means if he accepts it, he's out starting MLB. McDermott wouldn't have him as our starting MLB if he wasn't a fit at all. Especially since McDermott has already shown he will get rid of a player if they aren't a fit. 1
P51 Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) On 3/16/2018 at 11:36 AM, Kirby Jackson said: They still need to add an athletic LB in the draft (Darius Leonard is my pick). Expand Leonard would be a great addition to the LB core, especially with any pick left over after they trade up for a QB of their choosing. Rosen/Mayfield at QB behind McBama for a yearish.... Brown (4/5M$ a year on a short term contract) at ILB on 1st and 2nd down (run downs) and off the field in sub-packages, with Leanard and Milano on the field all 3 downs would be good LB group. Edited March 16, 2018 by P51 Add in Brown 1
Fan in Chicago Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 On 3/16/2018 at 1:15 PM, Starr Almighty said: Hopefully the offer gets taken off the table. The guy is part of the problem with the run D. He rarely makes a tackle for a loss. Yes he made alot of tackles but those were downfield since he can't shed blocks. I really hope Brown isn't resigned. Expand The front 4 were not good last year and with Star and Murphy we are already better. I bet we draft Kyle William's replacement in the draft. With that. IMHO, you will see a lot better performance by Brown. He checks off all the right boxes for McD - available, quietly goes about his business, doesnt take too many penalties and is pretty solid. Kuechly he is not , but you arent going to find Kuechlys at every position. Sign him for 4 years and check one off the needs list.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) On 3/16/2018 at 1:30 PM, Fan in Chicago said: The front 4 were not good last year and with Star and Murphy we are already better. I bet we draft Kyle William's replacement in the draft. With that. IMHO, you will see a lot better performance by Brown. He checks off all the right boxes for McD - available, quietly goes about his business, doesnt take too many penalties and is pretty solid. Kuechly he is not , but you arent going to find Kuechlys at every position. Sign him for 4 years and check one off the needs list. Expand This is the year of the QB. Next year i think we'll try to add more playmakers on both sides of the ball in both FA and the draft. You draft your guy, you take your lumps, you evaluate for 2019. If we make the playoffs or something? Gravy. But They can't say they expect it when they're drafting a QB and starting him right away. Edited March 16, 2018 by dneveu
Starr Almighty Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 On 3/16/2018 at 1:30 PM, Fan in Chicago said: The front 4 were not good last year and with Star and Murphy we are already better. I bet we draft Kyle William's replacement in the draft. With that. IMHO, you will see a lot better performance by Brown. He checks off all the right boxes for McD - available, quietly goes about his business, doesnt take too many penalties and is pretty solid. Kuechly he is not , but you arent going to find Kuechlys at every position. Sign him for 4 years and check one off the needs list. Expand He had Mario, Dareus, Kyle and Hughes when they lead the league in sacks and the run D was still bad. He may be quiet and available but he's not a good LB. He's average at best.
MrEpsYtown Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 On 3/16/2018 at 1:20 PM, Royale with Cheese said: He obviously provides value if we have a standing offer out to him. Which means if he accepts it, he's out starting MLB. McDermott wouldn't have him as our starting MLB if he wasn't a fit at all. Especially since McDermott has already shown he will get rid of a player if they aren't a fit. Expand Hopefully it is a huge lowball offer. I honestly wouldn't mind him moving over to the SAM spot that Lorax occupied, poorly, last year. That would make Preston a two down player and he would spend a lot of his time head up on a tight end in 4-3 under looks. I know I am crapping all over Preston, but he has two things going for him, extremely long arms and a very fast three cone. That tells me he has some short area quickness and long arms should help him jam tight ends and set the edge. Maybe McDermott is probably offering him a chance to come back at a reduced role out of respect. There is no way they watched him play and thought it was good.
Fan in Chicago Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 On 3/16/2018 at 1:31 PM, dneveu said: This is the year of the QB. Next year i think we'll try to add more playmakers on both sides of the ball in both FA and the draft. You draft your guy, you take your lumps, you evaluate for 2019. If we make the playoffs or something? Gravy. But They can't say they expect it when they're drafting a QB and starting him right away. Expand The Bills have plenty of draft capital. even with a move to the top 5, we should have a #2 and couple of #3s available to draft OL, LB, DT or WR. On 3/16/2018 at 1:38 PM, Starr Almighty said: He had Mario, Dareus, Kyle and Hughes when they lead the league in sacks and the run D was still bad. He may be quiet and available but he's not a good LB. He's average at best. Expand Even if he is average, does that mean we shouldnt re-sign him ?
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 On 3/16/2018 at 1:39 PM, Fan in Chicago said: The Bills have plenty of draft capital. even with a move to the top 5, we should have a #2 and couple of #3s available to draft OL, LB, DT or WR. Expand yeah - but those aren't always going to be the keuchleys of the world. I want a real RT so we can cut mills. He stinks. That's as big a hole as MLB where there isn't even a current starter. I'd like to add some speed at WR and LB. DT they seem to be rolling with Vet's for now, and maybe add a late round flyer for rotational depth.
Lurker Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 On 3/16/2018 at 12:49 PM, Kirby Jackson said: You aren’t ever going to have stars at every position in the salary cap era. Too often, Bills fans take the approach of “just get someone else and it will be better.” With the market where it is, and the draft resources that will be used to go up, you are more likely to downgrade from Brown than upgrade. Milano, Brown and a rookie is not a bad group. Expand Totally agree. It's impossible to have a roster of all-stars in the salary cap/free agent era. Every team has mid-tier players like Brown. He's smart, dependable and provides good leadership. If he gets beat out by a high draft pick, someone like Roquan Smith, he can slide into another role and provide high quality depth. If there's no addition via the draft or FA, he can start for another year, benefit from an improved DL and likely have another 100-plus tackle season...
Starr Almighty Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 On 3/16/2018 at 1:39 PM, Fan in Chicago said: The Bills have plenty of draft capital. even with a move to the top 5, we should have a #2 and couple of #3s available to draft OL, LB, DT or WR. Even if he is average, does that mean we shouldnt re-sign him ? Expand I can't answer that question fairly because I really dislike his play on the field and I have wanted him out of here for years.
MrEpsYtown Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 On 3/16/2018 at 1:43 PM, Lurker said: Totally agree. It's impossible to have a roster of all-stars in the salary cap/free agent era. Every team has mid-tier players like Brown. He's smart, dependable and provides good leadership. If he gets beat out by a high draft pick, someone like Roquan Smith, he can slide into another role and provide high quality depth. If there's no addition via the draft or FA, he can start for another year, benefit from an improved DL and likely have another 100-plus tackle season... Expand Fine but you don't play high quality depth six million. It's lunacy. It's Chris Kelsay guys. It's a commitment to mediocrity.
Royale with Cheese Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 On 3/16/2018 at 1:39 PM, MrEpsYtown said: Hopefully it is a huge lowball offer. I honestly wouldn't mind him moving over to the SAM spot that Lorax occupied, poorly, last year. That would make Preston a two down player and he would spend a lot of his time head up on a tight end in 4-3 under looks. I know I am crapping all over Preston, but he has two things going for him, extremely long arms and a very fast three cone. That tells me he has some short area quickness and long arms should help him jam tight ends and set the edge. Maybe McDermott is probably offering him a chance to come back at a reduced role out of respect. There is no way they watched him play and thought it was good. Expand He isn't ideal but you can't have ideal personnel at every position. AJ McCarron isn't ideal but he fits now....just like Ducasse/Miller, Cedric Thorton, Shaq Lawson etc... I think it is low because Preston is still probably looking for something better because he hasn't accepted. He's probably in a somewhat a little shock of his value. He was the NFL's leading tackler and probably thought he would get somewhere near upper echelon for MLB. Well hasn't gotten that which is why he's still on the market. He's probably getting slightly above average salary for a MLB which is probably where he needs to be. Zach Brown went through this last year. I lost count how many teams he visited.
Fan in Chicago Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 On 3/16/2018 at 1:42 PM, dneveu said: yeah - but those aren't always going to be the keuchleys of the world. I want a real RT so we can cut mills. He stinks. That's as big a hole as MLB where there isn't even a current starter. I'd like to add some speed at WR and LB. DT they seem to be rolling with Vet's for now, and maybe add a late round flyer for rotational depth. Expand But you said this is the year of the QB. I agree. With that said, you shouldnt get rid of an above average performer cos you want a Kuechly. That may be for next year. Cover your bases with your own FAs
MrEpsYtown Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 On 3/16/2018 at 1:45 PM, Royale with Cheese said: He isn't ideal but you can't have ideal personnel at every position. AJ McCarron isn't ideal but he fits now....just like Ducasse/Miller, Cedric Thorton, Shaq Lawson etc... I think it is low because Preston is still probably looking for something better because he hasn't accepted. He's probably in a somewhat a little shock of his value. He was the NFL's leading tackler and probably thought he would get somewhere near upper echelon for MLB. Well hasn't gotten that which is why he's still on the market. He's probably getting slightly above average salary for a MLB which is probably where he needs to be. Zach Brown went through this last year. I lost count how many teams he visited. Expand Shaq is on a rookie contract and Thornton, Ducasse are 1 million per year guys. People want to give Preston 16 million guaranteed. That's the difference and that's what I am arguing against. I'll have him back for 1.5 million for 1 year sure.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 On 3/16/2018 at 1:46 PM, Fan in Chicago said: But you said this is the year of the QB. I agree. With that said, you shouldnt get rid of an above average performer cos you want a Kuechly. That may be for next year. Cover your bases with your own FAs Expand Bringing back KW, having poyer/hyde, bringing in a guy like Murphy.. You're adding defensive leaders. Who's leading the O?
dpberr Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 I understand why he'd look around but the Bills are the best fit for him IMO. With another year in the McDermott defense, better team trainers (perhaps!) and some better defensive line play his stats can only go up. He's not the fastest linebacker in the age of the pass but I appreciate that he's one of the NFL's smartest, durable backers.
Lurker Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 On 3/16/2018 at 1:45 PM, MrEpsYtown said: Fine but you don't play high quality depth six million. It's lunacy. It's Chris Kelsay guys. It's a commitment to mediocrity. Expand You just paid journeyman Julian Stanford $3 million for two years ($1.2 million + 1.25 million salaries). Second-contract starters in the NFL probably average $3-$4 million. If the Bills' offer is in the $4 million range, that's just the cost of doing business. You don't fix every position in any given year...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 On 3/16/2018 at 1:48 PM, MrEpsYtown said: Shaq is on a rookie contract and Thornton, Ducasse are 1 million per year guys. People want to give Preston 16 million guaranteed. That's the difference and that's what I am arguing against. I'll have him back for 1.5 million for 1 year sure. Expand Thorton and Ducasse are also depth guys. Ducasse became a starter because we had nothing else. That's why they are making 1 million. Brown is an every down starter. He played more than anyone on our defense at 99.1% of the snaps. He will make much more than $1.5 million. I think something around $5-$6 million per year is fair.
MrEpsYtown Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 On 3/16/2018 at 1:53 PM, Royale with Cheese said: Thorton and Ducasse are also depth guys. Ducasse became a starter because we had nothing else. That's why they are making 1 million. Brown is an every down starter. He played more than anyone on our defense at 99.1% of the snaps. He will make much more than $1.5 million. I think something around $5-$6 million per year is fair. Expand But people are saying give him 6-7 million, then some people are saying he's good depth so he should get 4 million. Then some people are saying that it is important to have depth pieces like Thornton/Ducasse on the team so we should keep him. But depth players like Ducasse/Thornton don't make 4 million. Its all very confusing.
Royale with Cheese Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 On 3/16/2018 at 1:58 PM, MrEpsYtown said: But people are saying give him 6-7 million, then some people are saying he's good depth so he should get 4 million. Then some people are saying that it is important to have depth pieces like Thornton/Ducasse on the team so we should keep him. But depth players like Ducasse/Thornton don't make 4 million. Its all very confusing. Expand I'm very confused by this post. Brown isn't a depth player. He's a quality starter and will make starter money. Ducasse/Thorton are depth players and they make depth player salaries.
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