Hebert19 Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 Totally missed this when I posted mine sorry. I think we keep him and he ends up being a rotational guy with Jerry and Murphy. Then we decide what to do with him and Hughes next year when their cap hits increase.
MrEpsYtown Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 I really like Shaq's potential, but I'd call the Saints and offer them Shaq or Hughes for AJ Klein. We get our middle backer and they get the edge defender they've needed opposite Cam Jordan for quite some time. New Orleans was very high on Shaq coming out, before they picked Sheldon Rankins.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 We have a ton of dead money this year already, and his cap hit doubles if we trade him/release him. 2 hours ago, Hebert19 said: Totally missed this when I posted mine sorry. I think we keep him and he ends up being a rotational guy with Jerry and Murphy. Then we decide what to do with him and Hughes next year when their cap hits increase. Murphy only took 60% of snaps in his best year 2016. Having Lorax, Shaq, and Yarbrough gives us depth for injuries, as well as rotation to keep the best pass rushers on the field.
HansLanda Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 Regardless of what team Shaq is on this year, it's a GIGANTIC year for him as a pro. If Beane were to move him, I'd much prefer the "Cordy Glenn" method where you package him to move up in a round. If you look at the 'point charts' we ended getting 2nd round value for Cordy. For example, maybe Shaq + #12 can get you into top 7 w/o parting ways with #22.
dave mcbride Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 On 3/14/2018 at 9:12 PM, BuffaloRush said: Yep but watch the games Shaq plays. He doesn’t get to the QB much. yep - the sacks he gets are vulture sacks.
buffalobloodfloridahome Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 Our pass rush will have the potential to be exponentially better with Star and Kyle in the middle plugging up the gaps. It will force them to run outside more and have to pass more if we can stifle the run giving more 3rd and longs and giving our DEs a chance.
GrizzReaper Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 He's cheap... Why get rid of cheap 1st round DE talent? He could have a better year this season. I don't see him going anywhere. Good against the run and he will have some fresh talent lining up beside him on the line. I see our pash rush making big improvements this season. It was nearly non existent last year so it can only get better.
OldTimer1960 Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 8 hours ago, Hebert19 said: I know a lot if folks want him gone but you have to keep a couple things in mind. 1. He's only 21 games into his career. One that was put on pause due to his injury in rookie year. 2. Take his rookie season away and he wasn't exactly surrounded with talent to take pressure off him. Dareus was loafing around. Hughes was ok at best. The rest of our DTs outside of Kyle are back ups at best. This year he could rotate to be across from Hughes or Murphy and have star and Kyle commanding double team's. 3. He's in rookie deal worth 2.8M. That's fairly cheap. 4. If they keep him and he plays well this year it makes Hughes and his high cap hit expendable or makes him better trade bait. 5. Against the run he's actually decent. So he would be good to rotate in. Guy tells me he stays and earns a spot and we end up with a great rotation of DEs. Agreed. He is quite young, adjusting for mostly missing rookie season, he is really just after his rookie season. Bills fans don’t need to look past our own roster (Jerry Hughes) to find an example of a player who took more than a season to develop. Lawson may never be a great pass rusher, but he may become a very good run defender/decent pass rusher - think of a guy like Chris Kelsey. Now, Kelsey was a very good player for the Bills, though many here didn’t like him because he didn’t lead the league in sacks.
K D Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 Hughes and or Lawson might be trade bait to help us get to 2 or 3. I really think Murphy is going to be a heck of a player for us
BADOLBILZ Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 On 3/15/2018 at 7:00 AM, richardb1952 said: He is a little slow off the snap 21 hours ago, TigerJ said: Shaq Lawson is not especially twitchy This is like saying Rob Johnson was "a little slow on the draw". It's a critical flaw..........he is probably the least twitchy/slowest DE off the ball in the NFL. Not exaggerating..........it's pretty stark how bad his get-off is. If he could at least get to the point where he isn't letting the RT setup camp and start roasting marshmallows before he crosses the LOS he would have a chance to be quite good, IMO. He's got strength and good hands and his feet/lateral quickness is pretty quick once he gets going. But most of the battle in pass rush is getting the OT off-balance at the snap.
BuffaloRush Posted March 16, 2018 Author Posted March 16, 2018 23 hours ago, billsfan89 said: I think that Whaley no matter what was put in a bad spot with the hiring of Rex. The Bills had a defensive unit perfect for a 4-3 system and they forced in Rex who as good a defense coach as he was simply was jamming a square peg into a round hole. So Whaley tried to draft players (Shaq, Ragland, and Washington) to suit Rex's scheme but Rex was gone one year later. So McD and Beane had decided to switch back to the 4-3 and Whaley's last draft class was out of place. Whaley's drafts from 2013-2015 weren't terrible a lot of players from those draft classes are highly productive players in the league (which proves that they were talented players) sure there were some busts (EJ, Cyrus) but overall I thought they weren't bad not good but not as awful as a lot of people thought. Don’t worry folks. I am preparing a Hits and Misses on Doug Whaley. He didn’t have a lot of “highly productive players.” In fact, he had mostly misses with a few surprises. His strength was not the draft.
Mr. WEO Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: Don’t worry folks. I am preparing a Hits and Misses on Doug Whaley. He didn’t have a lot of “highly productive players.” In fact, he had mostly misses with a few surprises. His strength was not the draft. Please don't. Bump one of the existing threads on this very topic if you really can't control the urge, but for the love of God, no more Whaley draft threads.
Rico Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 Just now, Mr. WEO said: Please don't. Bump one of the existing threads on this very topic if you really can't control the urge, but for the love of God, no more Whaley draft threads. No such thing as too many threads bashing Whaley. Carry on, BuffaloRush. 1
BadtasteinQBs Posted March 16, 2018 Posted March 16, 2018 People shouldn't be hating on Shaq. He showed some good things last year, particularly against the run. The guy also had 4 sacks in 11 games. Wasn't that tied for the team lead last year? Come on, people. 1
FrankoElTanko Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 If we are going to get rid of (A.) J.Hughes or (B.) Shaq Lawson, then who will we start in their place (realistically)? I believe signing Murphy was a move to make Lawson more of the rotational guy. Lawson will play but definitely rotate as I believe Murphy will (with some of the inside depth depending on his weight next yr.) as well. Plus, literally what additional DE depth do you think we have gained to make either of our starters expendable all because we added ONE new DE?? 1
billsredneck1 Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 On 3/14/2018 at 8:55 PM, Mat68 said: I would like to lawson get back to his weight at Clemson. 275 plus. Put him inside on third downs. that could happen and is a good idea.
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 Thinking he will be in rotation along the DL, he will be decent against the run and won't break the bank.
OldTimer1960 Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 15 hours ago, BuffaloRush said: Don’t worry folks. I am preparing a Hits and Misses on Doug Whaley. He didn’t have a lot of “highly productive players.” In fact, he had mostly misses with a few surprises. His strength was not the draft. Oh, we aren’t worried about missing the next installment of your award winning series.
Irv Posted March 17, 2018 Posted March 17, 2018 He could be replaced by an equivalent sphere of water and not be missed.
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