BuffaloRush Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) Ok it's been a full 4 years since the epic draft day deal that sent 2 draft picks to Cleveland to select Florida WR stand out Samual Watkins IV with the 4th overall selection in 2014. Bills GM Doug Whaley called Watkins a "generational talent" and when discussing the trade he said this: We thought it was a win for us now. We're building our roster now, and granted, you hate giving up No. 1 picks, but what we thought he brings us now is worth giving up a low (No. 1) that we'll be giving up next year." And then, he walked it back and uttered a phrase which Bills fans will remember forever ""That's not a guarantee; I'm saying we expect it to be low," he said. "I'm a competitor, call me crazy, I like those odds." But the question remains, what is the final verdict on Sammy Watkins? Was he truly the "generational" talent as promised? His numbers wouldn't indicate that he was but you can argue that there were serious reasons for that. So let's make the call about Sammy Watkins Edited March 14, 2018 by BuffaloRush
Magox Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 If only we had given him just 2 more years. The second coming of Julio Jones was waiting just around the corner. 1
FearLess Price Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 Who did they draft with the pick we used to trade up for Watkins with
Big C Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 It's pretty clear at this point that trading up for him was a mistake. If we had the 4th overall to begin with and we took Sammy - even considering we'd have taken him before Mack - I would not call it a fail because Sammy was seen as a once-in-a-generation type prospect at the WR position. But the fact that we traded up and lost our next year's first to do it makes it a fail, because he was not the game breaker we were expecting.
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 Don't think it's a case so much of what Sammy did or didn't do, the damming part was so many other WR went lower that have turned out just as good. We could have had one of them and given up much less. 2
Big C Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, FearLess Price said: Who did they draft with the pick we used to trade up for Watkins with The Browns jumped back up one spot and took Justin Gilbert. The Vikings picked Anthony Barr at #9.
aristocrat Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 I still remember the night. Draft party at a local bills bar. Lots of shots. Ended up in the strip club. Probably the best part of that trade. Maybe I should send him the bill from that night
BuffaloRush Posted March 14, 2018 Author Posted March 14, 2018 12 minutes ago, Big C said: It's pretty clear at this point that trading up for him was a mistake. If we had the 4th overall to begin with and we took Sammy - even considering we'd have taken him before Mack - I would not call it a fail because Sammy was seen as a once-in-a-generation type prospect at the WR position. But the fact that we traded up and lost our next year's first to do it makes it a fail, because he was not the game breaker we were expecting. All good points that I tend to agree with. You might be surprised at how many fans defend Whaley and his decisions to trade up for Sammy, in a very rich WR draft
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 The trade up to draft Sammy was bad, but not the disaster it could have been. Luckily for us we our 2015 1st ended up at 19th overall, and there really wasn't much left in a pretty weak draft class.
KD in CA Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 Only not horrible if you are comparing it to the Losman trade.
Kirby Jackson Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 27 minutes ago, FearLess Price said: Who did they draft with the pick we used to trade up for Watkins with Justin Gilbert and Cameron Erving
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 The only success is getting a second round pick; Winning!!
BuffaloRush Posted March 14, 2018 Author Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: The only success is getting a second round pick; Winning!! Thanks to Sean McDermott cleaning up a mess Doug Whaley created. Though anytime you are critical of Whaley, at least a few Bills fans in general will defend him. 1
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Badthingsman said: How does one make a farting noise on TBD?
Jay_Fixit Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 41 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: Ok it's been a full 5 years since the epic draft day deal that sent 2 draft picks to Cleveland to select Florida WR stand out Samual Watkins IV with the 4th overall selection in 2014. Bills GM Doug Whaley called Watkins a "generational talent" and when discussing the trade he said this: We thought it was a win for us now. We're building our roster now, and granted, you hate giving up No. 1 picks, but what we thought he brings us now is worth giving up a low (No. 1) that we'll be giving up next year." And then, he walked it back and uttered a phrase which Bills fans will remember forever ""That's not a guarantee; I'm saying we expect it to be low," he said. "I'm a competitor, call me crazy, I like those odds." But the question remains, what is the final verdict on Sammy Watkins? Was he truly the "generational" talent as promised? His numbers wouldn't indicate that he was but you can argue that there were serious reasons for that. So let's make the call about Sammy Watkins 4 years ago BRO.
CircleTheWagons99 Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 Fail. Could have stayed put and gotten the WR we have now.
BuffaloRush Posted March 14, 2018 Author Posted March 14, 2018 8 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: 4 years ago BRO. Is it against the rules to talk about major events in team history, which arguably impact the modern day Bills?
Jay_Fixit Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: Is it against the rules to talk about major events in team history, which arguably impact the modern day Bills? It’s against the rules to get your math wrong. Anything else I can help you with? 1
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