Hurricane Marv Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Gugny said: Just because people are happy with the signing, doesn't mean they think he was effective. Remember when Fred Jackson got cut? It was because he was ineffective; everyone knew it; and most were pissed off. I'm not unhappy that Kyle is back. I simply think he was overpaid - as I do not expect him to be even close to an every down-type player. And if he is, we're in a tad of trouble. He was one of the reasons our D line sucked so bad last year. That, my friend, is simple stuff. So now we're going off the assumption that there's a contingency of happy people who think he's an ineffective player but are just happy that he was resigned because they like the guy? So many mental gymnastics... Whatever, have a good one.
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, nucci said: I'm thinking LB first With these brutes at DT, I would love a quick and physical guy like Rashaan Evans. But I don't think he will be on the radar if we have to trade #22 to get a QB. If we can obtain a solid athletic ILB; great things could be happening on D' this year.
ALF Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 One less player to replace in the draft or free agency this year . Hope Star can extend #95 career even longer.
Gugny Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, thebandit27 said: Actually Gug, check out my linked post above; Kyle came in exactly where the market puts him as a 34-year old DT with multiple pro bowls. Do GMs actually take Pro Bowls into account? Are ticket/merch sales that much of a factor? Because being in the Pro Bowl doesn't necessarily mean a player is among the best at his position.
PolishDave Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Gugny said: Just because people are happy with the signing, doesn't mean they think he was effective. Remember when Fred Jackson got cut? It was because he was ineffective; everyone knew it; and most were pissed off. I'm not unhappy that Kyle is back. I simply think he was overpaid - as I do not expect him to be even close to an every down-type player. And if he is, we're in a tad of trouble. He was one of the reasons our D line sucked so bad last year. That, my friend, is simple stuff. I bet you they are partially okay with paying him that for his presence in the locker room (his effect on rookies) and his embodiment of everything they are trying to establish in this team. That is probably worth a couple million right there. This staff is BIG on "team" and unselfishness. That is Kyle Williams to a T. 3
Frez Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 Kyle Williams is nice to have back one more year. His leadership means a lot to this team. That being said, I don't believe we are done adding DTs to this roster.
CountDorkula Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Actually Gug, check out my linked post above; Kyle came in exactly where the market puts him as a 34-year old DT with multiple pro bowls. People still care about that thing? 95% of the players back out now because of some mysterious injury.
Gugny Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Hurricane Marv said: So now we're going off the assumption that there's a contingency of happy people who think he's an ineffective player but are just happy that he was resigned because they like the guy? So many mental gymnastics... Whatever, have a good one. I will confidently opine that this contingency is significant.
thebandit27 Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Gugny said: Do GMs actually take Pro Bowls into account? Are ticket/merch sales that much of a factor? Because being in the Pro Bowl doesn't necessarily mean a player is among the best at his position. Yes, it's a bargaining chip. Just now, CountDorkula said: People still care about that thing? 95% of the players back out now because of some mysterious injury. I think most GMs can tell the difference, but yes, it's still a bargaining chip
Mark Vader Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, nucci said: I'm thinking LB first I have no problem with that. As long as we get a DT earlier than later.
CountDorkula Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Gugny said: Do GMs actually take Pro Bowls into account? Are ticket/merch sales that much of a factor? Because being in the Pro Bowl doesn't necessarily mean a player is among the best at his position. It usually means the first five or so choices didn't want to go and "Had an injury" to get out of it.
Gugny Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, PolishDave said: I bet you they are partially okay with paying him that for his presence in the locker room (his effect on rookies) and his embodiment of everything they are trying to establish in this team. That is probably worth a couple million right there. This staff is BIG on "team" and unselfishness. That is Kyle Williams to a T. Like I said, I get that leadership is important. I don't think it's worth $2million in this case - but it's not my money! I'm glad he's back. I just don't think he's worth $5 mil. 1
thebandit27 Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, CountDorkula said: It usually means the first five or so choices didn't want to go and "Had an injury" to get out of it. No, it does not "usually" mean that. Every year, pro bowl teams are selected...once guys start dropping off, yes, teams get filled with people willing to go. Please don't try to pass off Kyle's pro bowl selections as the "we'll take anyone" type a la Tyrod...you know better than that.
Just Joshin' Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 Nice move and shows commitment. Price is at high end of expected range but a win win. Star on run downs, Kyle on pass downs.
nedboy7 Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: It usually means the first five or so choices didn't want to go and "Had an injury" to get out of it. Probowls don’t count anymore. Only your opinion. Thank god we have you.
OldNMBillsFan Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) For those who say he is past his prime. According to the Bleacher report, he was still graded 25th in the league last year, higher than Star at 54th. No other Bill was in the top 100 for 2017. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2751939-nfl1000-ranking-the-top-defensive-tackles-of-2017-season Edited March 13, 2018 by OldNMBillsFan clarity
PolishDave Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Gugny said: Like I said, I get that leadership is important. I don't think it's worth $2million in this case - but it's not my money! I'm glad he's back. I just don't think he's worth $5 mil. It just makes sense. That's also probably why it is a one year deal. They know he is close to being done. High percentage chance this next year is his last. He is going to set the tone and be used as an example of what every drafted player should aspire to become. Maybe that is worth the money. Maybe not. This staff seems to think it is. 2
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