FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: No I’m not. I’m merely comparing a small sample size of the two QB’s when asked to play in a pro style offense and take snaps under center. Allen did well. Mayfield did not do so well. Mayfield is likely, similar to Watson in Houston, going to need an offense designed around his capabilities. You're comparing a week of practices and an exhibition game to 4 years of excellent game tape. It'll be a transition for Mayfield to adjust to playing under center but I don't see it as a huge issue. Meanwhile Josh Allen routinely misses routine passes in the flat.
JaCrispy Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Why would this report from a moron take anything away? There have been very few, if any leaks from this FO. How did this doofus supposedly get his scoop? He didn't. He is throwing darts. The guys on WGR were saying he’s been right on some things but I hope you’re right.
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said: I would be fine with Allen at 12, but if we move into the top 4 and he's the reason I'm going to be very nervous. This made me laugh. He'll be the same player in training camp whether he's selected 2nd or 12th.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 10 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: I find that hard to believe, Keenum didn't get a big deal, and isn't really someone you hedge your bets on. Cousins was the only QB that would preclude a team from taking a QB. Keenum played better than Cousins.
PIZ Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 I learned my lesson a long time ago, that I should trust the real NFL talent evaluators, and not go with my own fan based opinion. When the choice was who is better, Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf, I thought it was an easy decision. Manning looked slow and unimpressive to my untrained eye. Ryan Leaf on the other hand, reminded me of Dan Marino for some reason. I have never been so wrong before, so I'm going to just trust Beane and the front office and support their decision, as long as it isn't that midget Baker Mayfield (kidding).
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 17 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It wouldn't shock me at all with many good RBs available in the draft and Rosen's personality causing him to slip a bit. We'll see. Agree. You never know. This QBitis can cause strange things to happen, especially for teams seeking a vet in free agency and striking out. May push QB's up and Barkley down a couple of slots.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, PIZ said: I learned my lesson a long time ago, that I should trust the real NFL talent evaluators, and not go with my own fan based opinion. When the choice was who is better, Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf, I thought it was an easy decision. Manning looked slow and unimpressive to my untrained eye. Ryan Leaf on the other hand, reminded me of Dan Marino for some reason. I have never been so wrong before, so I'm going to just trust Beane and the front office and support their decision, as long as it isn't that midget Baker Mayfield (kidding).
NewEraBills Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, PIZ said: I learned my lesson a long time ago, that I should trust the real NFL talent evaluators, and not go with my own fan based opinion. When the choice was who is better, Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf, I thought it was an easy decision. Manning looked slow and unimpressive to my untrained eye. Ryan Leaf on the other hand, reminded me of Dan Marino for some reason. I have never been so wrong before, so I'm going to just trust Beane and the front office and support their decision, as long as it isn't that midget Baker Mayfield (kidding). Hey, they make mistakes too. Your own example shows it. Some NFL evaluators had high grades on Leaf and they were wrong. It happens. I hope it does not happen to us AGAIN (Losman, EJ). We just can't afford that. That's why, no to Allen, please.
PIZ Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Funny that if Mayfield was 2 or 3 inches taller, everyone would want him at the 1st pick. Hard to imagine what 2 more inches will do for you. Actually 6' 1" is tall for my neck of the woods.
JaCrispy Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, NewEraBills said: Hey, they make mistakes too. Your own example shows it. Some NFL evaluators had high grades on Leaf and they were wrong. It happens. I hope it does not happen to us AGAIN (Losman, EJ). We just can't afford that. That's why, no to Allen, please. If nothing else, you just CAN’T draft a guy under 60% completions...that’s a MAJOR red flag in the NFL...even us amateurs know that.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, PIZ said: Funny that if Mayfield was 2 or 3 inches taller, everyone would want him at the 1st pick. Hard to imagine what 2 more inches will do for you. Actually 6' 1" is tall for my neck of the woods. No doubt he would be number one overall.
Mango Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 2 hours ago, zonabb said: If they fall for Allen, Beane is no better than anyone they've had at GM. He is Losman and Manuel... physical tools with major, uncorrectable deficiencies. Not to hijack the thread. But Losman was an idiot frat boy. Bad combination for a rookie QB. EJ was smart, worked hard, had all the tools, just couldn't put it together. 5 minutes ago, PIZ said: Funny that if Mayfield was 2 or 3 inches taller, everyone would want him at the 1st pick. Hard to imagine what 2 more inches will do for you. Actually 6' 1" is tall for my neck of the woods. If I had 2 more inches I would be much less single....or maybe more single..... 1
BillsFan17 Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 18 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Keenum played better than Cousins. For a single season on a stacked team?? Moreover, describe better? Less yards, less TDs, less talent, etc...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 40 minutes ago, MOVALLEYRANDY said: This made me laugh. He'll be the same player in training camp whether he's selected 2nd or 12th. There's going to be a lot more talent around him if he's selected 12th vs 2nd.
Johnny Hammersticks Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 1 hour ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: You're comparing a week of practices and an exhibition game to 4 years of excellent game tape. It'll be a transition for Mayfield to adjust to playing under center but I don't see it as a huge issue. Meanwhile Josh Allen routinely misses routine passes in the flat. You’re putting words into my mouth. I never said that Mayfield couldn’t adapt to a more pro-style offense, and I never said that the senior bowl is the end all, be all of NFL talent evaluation. I merely offered the opinion, based on what I saw from both QB’s working from under center at the Senior Bowl, that Josh Allen is more prepared to run a pro-style offense. I don’t think that many posters here would disagree with that assessment. Right now, IMO, I think Rosen, Darnold, and Allen (in that order) are the most prepared to take over a NFL pro-style offense. Don’t let your man-crush for Mayfield and his sassy facial hair cloud your judgement.
BobbyC81 Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: No thanks to Allen. Accuracy issues. Forget the "Strong arm" JP Losman had a "Strong arm" You need a lot more than arm strength EJ Manuel and JaMarcus Russell have strong arms
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 54 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: For a single season on a stacked team?? Moreover, describe better? Less yards, less TDs, less talent, etc... More wins , more playoffs, actually makes clutch plays under pressure.
BillsFan17 Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, Buffalo Barbarian said: More wins , more playoffs, actually makes clutch plays under pressure. So Keenum put that team on his shoulders and won all those games by him self, interesting take.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 3 hours ago, May Day 10 said: need to get Bradford then, IMO. We need to get Bradford because we feel Allen needs zero time to develop and can start immediately, so don't worry about Bradford's availability?
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 9 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: I merely offered the opinion, based on what I saw from both QB’s working from under center at the Senior Bowl, that Josh Allen is more prepared to run a pro-style offense. I don’t think that many posters here would disagree with that assessment. I think this is incorrect. I think most posters view Allen as the most raw top QB prospect. 1
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