PaattMaann Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said: So you're saying NaVorro Bowman, Avery Williamson and Korey Toomer aren't better than Tanner Valejo? Tahir Whitehead and Anthony Hitchens aren't better than Deon Lacey? Yikes. you may want to check who is actually still available to sign lol And how do you know the Bills werent in on some of those players before they decided to sign elsewhere? And I am not necessarily saying some guys left arent better than what we have currently, but I AM saying they arent better than what we might have after the draft / cuts from other teams. Roster building is bigger than the first few days of free agency. And again, signing Star doesn't eliminate us from ANYTHING we want to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akm0404 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 I had it at 5 for 55 w/ 28 guaranteed so I was a tiny bit high, but definitely a market value deal. Great signing that continues to make incremental improvement to the overall quality of players on the roster. Could he get outplayed by a much cheaper player on a rookie deal at some point in the next 5 years? Welcome to literally every position on every team in the NFL. You need a mix of young and veteran players with different strengths and weaknesses and personalities. Two thumbs up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 42 minutes ago, PaattMaann said: you may want to check who is actually still available to sign lol And how do you know the Bills werent in on some of those players before they decided to sign elsewhere? And I am not necessarily saying some guys left arent better than what we have currently, but I AM saying they arent better than what we might have after the draft / cuts from other teams. Roster building is bigger than the first few days of free agency. And again, signing Star doesn't eliminate us from ANYTHING we want to do. All of those guys were available when free agency started. Bowman and Toomer still are. Keep in mind, I'm addressing the absurdity that is the "We overpaid for a guy because we have to spend the money SOMEWHERE" mantra. As if this team has bottomless cap space and are without massive holes on the roster and there aren't good players available to fill them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, Logic said: Good golly miss Molly, Bills fans are hard to please sometimes. Just the madden lads, stats boys and the uneducated in general. In 3 years the contract will be a bargian in comparison Solid deal lots of incentives that reduces the pain if we have to or choose to cut bait. and the under appreciation for a guy who can absorb 2 + blockers and still hold the LOS is lost by fans who think the entire DL needs to produce stats like tackles and sacks. Edited March 16, 2018 by ddaryl 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akm0404 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) Another point for the "we should have signed the other guy instead! He's better!" crowd: The Bills are not entitled to sign any particular player. There are 31 other teams, and they want the good players too. Free agents with market value may not want to sign with the Bills for any number of reasons. You don't just get to magically take whoever you want by offering $1 more than the competition. Edited March 16, 2018 by akm0404 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 21 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: All of those guys were available when free agency started. Bowman and Toomer still are. Keep in mind, I'm addressing the absurdity that is the "We overpaid for a guy because we have to spend the money SOMEWHERE" mantra. As if this team has bottomless cap space and are without massive holes on the roster and there aren't good players available to fill them. ahhhh gotcha gotcha. And I agree with the absurdity of that statement. I disagree that we overpaid though. Pretty much the going rate for DTs. I understand people say "where are his stats, why is he worth that?" But then if you watch the games you see his impact. There is a real reason carolinas linebackers have been able to FEAST the past few seasons, and his name is Star. There are reasons they have been able to pressure the QB with rushing four, and his name is Star. I look forward to our linebackers (even if they are Lorenzo, Tanner and Milano lol) being able to do that as well. I look forward to our DEs being able to get sacks because our DT isnt being pushed around but holds his ground at the LOS so there isnt anywhere for the QB to step up to avoid the rush. As far as cap space goes, you can always find money to pay guys you want, alwaaayssss. Look at the Chiefs who were in cap hell, made a couple moves and then paid Sammy a billion dollars a season. Cap space is over rated. Star's contract wont prevent us from signing anyone we want to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgr81 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Bills should have looked at Dontari Poe. Poe is younger, better, and Carolina got him at a better price. Bills overpaid for one of Beane's former Panther crushes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 While I'm kind of stunned that he is to be the Bills highest paid player (what???), it's all based on his performances. He better be damn good at that price. And yes I get it doesn't mean in his personal stats but in the overall mayhem he creates. But he better produce! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Not super crazy about the contract but he is a good player at a need postion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 10 hours ago, Mountain Man said: At DT we couldn't afford to be fussy. Sometimes your need to just sort a problem. Is it a bit rich as a contract? Probably. Is it an extreme overpay? No. Right now I'd much rather accept we overpaid by a couple of million and know we addressed the issue, than sit with a few extra million and a massive hole at DT I think it is a pretty big overpay but at least if we are overpaying for a player it is exactly the type of player that this team needs and a player the coaches know. For everyone saying that we should have signed Poe instead ignores the fact that he signed for 9 million per year (Only 1 million less) and who knows how much it would have taken to get him to Buffalo. Also, Star and Poe are similar players both in style of play and quality of play. I think Poe is a little better and given the choice of Poe for 1 million cheaper or Star I would rather have Poe. But that isn't the choice the Bills had to make. The Bills had to make the choice between what Star was willing to take to come here and what other DT's like Poe were willing to take. Who honestly knows who would have been cheaper in that scenario? I was hoping that Star's number would come in around 7 million maybe 8 at the most. But McD wants the guy and he is a good player, it is a manageable deal to get out of after year 2 and super easy after year 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Looking at what film I could find... ...seems like this guy does the job that lets other people get stats. He doesn't get moved much on a double team, so he can still fill a gap and a half, and MOST of the time he doesn't allow one of the double teamers to get to the next level. He also gets a lot of push, which disrupts plays i.e. making a RB run wider to hit a gap, pushing interior lineman back towards the QB so he can't step up, and cutback contain against RBs. None of those things usually result in big plays. I see that kind of stuff, which may or may not be his role. He doesn't always accomplish what appears to be his assignment. Then again, a lot of times its hard to tell exactly what his assignment is. We're really going to have to wait and see on this guy, more than normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 11 minutes ago, OCinBuffalo said: Looking at what film I could find... ...seems like this guy does the job that lets other people get stats. He doesn't get moved much on a double team, so he can still fill a gap and a half, and MOST of the time he doesn't allow one of the double teamers to get to the next level. He also gets a lot of push, which disrupts plays i.e. making a RB run wider to hit a gap, pushing interior lineman back towards the QB so he can't step up, and cutback contain against RBs. None of those things usually result in big plays. I see that kind of stuff, which may or may not be his role. He doesn't always accomplish what appears to be his assignment. Then again, a lot of times its hard to tell exactly what his assignment is. We're really going to have to wait and see on this guy, more than normal. 1 If there aren't huge rushing holes right in the middle of our defense often in the coming season I think that this signing will have accomplished what it set out to do. This signing is a bit too right for my blood but it is exactly what the doctor ordered in terms of need on defense and it is a player the coaching staff knows and trusts. If you are going to overpay at least do it on the right kind of player that fits one of your biggest defensive needs. Star's job is to clog the middle, eat double teams while holding the line, and to disrupt the interior of the line of scrimmage. If he can do that at a high level the Bills rushing defense will be heavily improved from last season esp after the Dareus trade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 17 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: Where is LABillz when you need him? People worry way too much about contracts. Every year on every team there are about one third that don't live up to their deal, a third that are about right, and a third that way outplay what they are paid. It evens out. And he is not a run stuffer only. In fact, his best attribute is a pocket collapser without needing to be a pass rusher. Last year, because we got no push upfront from the DTs on a regular basis, when Hughes would do what Hughes does, QBs would very often step up a yard or two and avoid him, then have a lot of time to throw. Star will muck that idea up, which is an enormous difference. 2 hours ago, OCinBuffalo said: Looking at what film I could find... ...seems like this guy does the job that lets other people get stats. He doesn't get moved much on a double team, so he can still fill a gap and a half, and MOST of the time he doesn't allow one of the double teamers to get to the next level. He also gets a lot of push, which disrupts plays i.e. making a RB run wider to hit a gap, pushing interior lineman back towards the QB so he can't step up, and cutback contain against RBs. None of those things usually result in big plays. I see that kind of stuff, which may or may not be his role. He doesn't always accomplish what appears to be his assignment. Then again, a lot of times its hard to tell exactly what his assignment is. We're really going to have to wait and see on this guy, more than normal. Both you guys defined the reason he was brought in to a tee! If he succeeds doing this on most plays he is worth the money. If he doesn't he will be overpaid. We will know in camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 My opinion away back was Poe, Star and that other guy would really help The McD Method. f the money. Key fit up. fix the LBs and Draft one of those future HoF LBs in the first and a Probowling LB early enough but later. Great pick up. Go Bills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 12 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said: "You've gotta spend the money SOMEWHERE" is the dumbest excuse for overpaying a player. Good Lord. This team still needs two starting linebackers, a right side of the offensive line, and at least one starting wide receiver with speed. How about we save a little on a bad defensive lineman and spend that money on one or more of those positions instead? a BAD defensive lineman? REALLY?! I suppose you watched him play a bunch before you came to this conclusion? Also...I hate to tell you this, but if you honestly thought the Bills could fill all of the roster holes you mentioned in one free agency period, then you're being unrealistic. Let's see what the draft and UDFA period bring. By the way, They're spending about HALF on Star what they were spending on Dareus, and they have an extra 5th round pick and a player with a better attitude to show for it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 12 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said: "You've gotta spend the money SOMEWHERE" is the dumbest excuse for overpaying a player. Good Lord. This team still needs two starting linebackers, a right side of the offensive line, and at least one starting wide receiver with speed. How about we save a little on a bad defensive lineman and spend that money on one or more of those positions instead? Wayne again taking PFF has gospel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 31 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Wayne again taking PFF has gospel. Yeah, it's not as if NFL teams use their service. Oh wait, they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouds Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Yeah, it's not as if NFL teams use their service. Oh wait, they do. PFF loves Tyrod, I'm sure you agree with that right? For the record, I agree with you on Star. Edited March 17, 2018 by bouds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, bouds said: PFF loves Tyrod, I'm sure you agree with that right? Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Bills are better on the defensive line than they were during the season. Beane & Mcdermott have made excellent choices since joining the Bills. Beane and Mcdermott have first hand knowledge of this player. 1. Better today than last season 2. Beane & McDermott have made excellent choices 3. Beane & Mcdermott know more about this player than most In summation, Beane and Mcdermott have made excellent choices, signed a player they know a lot about, (remember the part about the good choices so far), the line is better now than it was last year. Did i miss something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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