Boatdrinks Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 On 3/13/2018 at 3:39 PM, billsfan11 said: I don't buy that theory 100 percent. I understand that it is for sure a bit of a factor, but at the end of the day, great receivers produce great numbers. 4 years in his career and teams are still paying tons for his potential, not his production Expand Don't forget that three of his years were in Buffalo. Orton and Taylor as his QB. No, he isn't being rewarded for past production with this contract. But teams can see the role he was playing in the McVay offense, and how frequently Goff threw the underneath routes. 1
thebandit27 Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 On 3/13/2018 at 3:40 PM, jmc12290 said: Sammy got more than Davante with worse production. Expand That's not correct, as I pointed out to you in the other thread. Just take your loss on this one and move on...clearly, NFL teams value Sammy a LOT more than you thought. We all get it wrong sometimes. 1
BillsFan130 Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 On 3/13/2018 at 3:42 PM, Boatdrinks said: Don't forget that three of his years were in Buffalo. Orton and Taylor as his QB. No, he isn't being rewarded for past production with this contract. But teams can see the role he was playing in the McVay offense, and how frequently Goff threw the underneath routes. Expand When someone tells me that he played with bad QBS, I will just use Deandre Hopkins as an example. The guy played/plays with Savage and TJ Yates and still lights it up. Like I said, great receivers have great production and don't have seasons under 600 yards (or whatever it was) If you are that good, you are the focal point of the offence, not the decoy
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 On 3/13/2018 at 1:42 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: 125 catches for over 2k yards with 15 TDs in his 1st two seasons in run oriented offenses speaks volumes for what he can do. The Chiefs were not his only suitor with good reason despite your opinion on him. Expand This is the NFL "Not For Long". You get paid based upon your recent performance, not based on what you did 3 seasons ago. I'm not surprised that Watkins had multiple suitors, including his last year's team. I am surprised he's pulling in the contract he is. He's reportedly gonna be paid like a top-3 WR, and his last 2 years production simply doesn't justify it. That's not my opinion, that's hard numbers. You don't pay someone like AJ Green or Jarvis Landry because they're a great decoy. You pay them because they're a great receiver. Water under the bridge. Sounds like KC is paying Watkins to be the AJ Green to their Andy Dalton. I hope it works better for them than it worked for us. 1
Boatdrinks Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 On 3/13/2018 at 3:45 PM, billsfan11 said: When someone tells me that he played with bad QBS, I will just use Deandre Hopkins as an example. The guy played/plays with Savage and TJ Yates and still lights it up. Like I said, great receivers have great production and don't have seasons under 600 yards (or whatever it was) If you are that good, you are the focal point of the offence, not the decoy Expand Gets tons of targets. Sammy produced in Buffalo when targeted. It wasn't a long stretch, but the numbers were there. People underestimate how remedial the Bills passing offense has been. A complete joke by NFL standards. SW wasn't a decoy with the Rams he was open... a lot. Goff never developed great touch on the deep ball and took a ton of underneath throws. McVays design was to score points and spread the ball around. Not to build a stat line for Sammy Watkins. Hopkins is an excellent WR, but SW is downplayed in Buffalo, period.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) On 3/13/2018 at 3:35 PM, Boatdrinks said: He also had the most TDs amongst Rams WRs and a pretty high ypc of 17 or so. If you watched Rams games, you'd see what he was doing in that offense and that he could easily have had bigger stats. Teams aren't looking at what Goff did with Watkins , but at what they could do with their own QB. Expand Clearly that's what KC is hoping for. On 3/13/2018 at 12:34 PM, HappyDays said: This is exactly why we traded him last year. Some team was always going to overpay. FWIW a lot of Chiefs fans on Twitter hate the deal and are more concerned about their defense. Expand Yes, I didn't like the trade last year but in hindsight Beane was Fox-smart. And I still say he sheered the Rams, well....like sheep Edited March 13, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan
Mark Vader Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 On 3/13/2018 at 11:22 AM, ******* said: Chiefs O might be dirty Expand They'll need them to be, because their D might be putrid.
BillsFan130 Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 On 3/13/2018 at 3:51 PM, Boatdrinks said: Gets tons of targets. Sammy produced in Buffalo when targeted. It wasn't a long stretch, but the numbers were there. People underestimate how remedial the Bills passing offense has been. A complete joke by NFL standards. SW wasn't a decoy with the Rams he was open... a lot. Goff never developed great touch on the deep ball and took a ton of underneath throws. McVays design was to score points and spread the ball around. Not to build a stat line for Sammy Watkins. Hopkins is an excellent WR, but SW is downplayed in Buffalo, period. Expand We’ll agree to disagree on this one. If he lights it up with the Chiefs and gets 1200 plus yards with 10 TDS, (the bare minimum for what they are paying for) I will eat crow. But if he doesn’t, I don’t want to hear any excuses from anyone anymore lol 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 On 3/13/2018 at 1:15 PM, kirkwoodus13 said: It's funny Mahomes to Watkins was Whaley plan for the Bills. McDermott give it to KC.. is any of these QB in n this year's draft as good as Mahomes. The Bills had their Franchise QB and the ownership punted for McDermott... Expand Time will tell.
BringBackOrton Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 On 3/13/2018 at 3:43 PM, thebandit27 said: That's not correct, as I pointed out to you in the other thread. Just take your loss on this one and move on...clearly, NFL teams value Sammy a LOT more than you thought. We all get it wrong sometimes. Expand I guess so but I don't think he's earned Hopkins money without Hopkins production. KC disagrees. Good luck with that.
Boatdrinks Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 On 3/13/2018 at 3:55 PM, billsfan11 said: We’ll agree to disagree on this one. If he lights it up with the Chiefs and gets 1200 plus yards with 10 TDS, (the bare minimum for what they are paying for) I will eat crow. But if he doesn’t, I don’t want to hear any excuses from anyone anymore lol Expand I haven't convinced a single Sammy hater yet . You're in one camp or the other. I've never thought NFL types shared those sentiments , though. It's mostly a Buffalo thing. SW seems like a good fit in KC and we know the QB has a big arm.
Mr. WEO Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 On 3/13/2018 at 2:47 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: He is yes. It's not something that Goff does well. Watkins can run every route with proficiency, but his deep speed has to be respected. Expand Sammy's best seasons were with Orton and TT--not guys who threw the long ball....neither of whom could match Goff in that category.
BillsFan130 Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 On 3/13/2018 at 4:00 PM, Boatdrinks said: I haven't convinced a single Sammy hater yet . You're in one camp or the other. I've never thought NFL types shared those sentiments , though. It's mostly a Buffalo thing. SW seems like a good fit in KC and we know the QB has a big arm. Expand Don’t get me wrong I don’t think he sucks. He’s descent. But I don’t Consider him a good/great receiver and it’s pretty hard to argue that he is based on his production from 4 years
HappyDays Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 On 3/13/2018 at 4:00 PM, Boatdrinks said: SW seems like a good fit in KC and we know the QB has a big arm. Expand They already have Tyreek Hill and they just traded the most accurate deep passer in the NFL. I don't see how Sammy fits there. He's a great deep threat which is not worth $16 million a year.
26CornerBlitz Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 On 3/13/2018 at 4:03 PM, Mr. WEO said: Sammy's best seasons were with Orton and TT--not guys who threw the long ball....neither of whom could match Goff in that category. Expand I disagree.
Boatdrinks Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 On 3/13/2018 at 4:04 PM, HappyDays said: They already have Tyreek Hill and they just traded the most accurate deep passer in the NFL. I don't see how Sammy fits there. He's a great deep threat which is not worth $16 million a year. Expand You can't have too much speed or matchups. I like Alex Smith , but KC was going to move on when they drafted Mahomes.Who knows if he's any good? If the Bills took a QB at 10 last year, I liked Watson. Always thought PM was a boom or bust pick. Anyway, Andy Reid clearly has something in mind for a SW in his offense.
Teddy KGB Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) On 3/13/2018 at 3:39 PM, Cmdjr85 said: This means cooks will hit the market in 19. Expand Who ? On 3/13/2018 at 4:04 PM, HappyDays said: They already have Tyreek Hill and they just traded the most accurate deep passer in the NFL. I don't see how Sammy fits there. He's a great deep threat which is not worth $16 million a year. Expand Obviously he is. He got the money. He’s a very good wideout and the Rams offense was a monster while he was there. Edited March 13, 2018 by Teddy KGB
BillsFan130 Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 On 3/13/2018 at 4:10 PM, Teddy KGB said: Who ? Obviously he is. He got the money. He’s a very good wideout and the Rams offense was a monster while he was there. Expand He was the 4th most productive receiver on that Rams offence. He was not even close to the main reason why the rams offence was so powerful
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 On 3/13/2018 at 3:55 PM, billsfan11 said: We’ll agree to disagree on this one. If he lights it up with the Chiefs and gets 1200 plus yards with 10 TDS, (the bare minimum for what they are paying for) I will eat crow. But if he doesn’t, I don’t want to hear any excuses from anyone anymore lol Expand You’ll still hear. If Hill and Kelce produce at their normal levels, Sammy will be credited as the reason for their success. 1
BillsFan130 Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 On 3/13/2018 at 4:23 PM, DriveFor1Outta5 said: You’ll still hear. If Hill and Kelce produce at their normal levels, Sammy will be credited as the reason for their success. Expand Lol exactly
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